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PostSubject: Fitting Keywords covens into detachments and using haemi and Urien   Thu Aug 24 2017, 18:49

What detachments and units can you sue that allow you to utilize the keywords <covens> to get the best out of haem and Urien?

If you don't form the detachment around the <covens> keyword then the master of pain power aint activated is it?

Therefore the only detachment I can see is the Vanguard detachment with three units of Grots?

Surely this isn't right?
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PostSubject: Re: Fitting Keywords covens into detachments and using haemi and Urien   Thu Aug 24 2017, 19:38

The keyword is still there even if the whole detachment isn't based around it. Nothing stops you from throwing a Razorwing Jetfighter or a few units of Incubi into your Covens list.
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PostSubject: Re: Fitting Keywords covens into detachments and using haemi and Urien   Thu Aug 24 2017, 19:45

Those detachments formed around a specific keyword may or may not be relevant when the dark eldar codex comes out. One day. Eventually. Just before 9th edition.
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PostSubject: Re: Fitting Keywords covens into detachments and using haemi and Urien   Fri Aug 25 2017, 08:13

Yeah interestingly, all the eldar special rules are unit bound, not army bound.  There is literally no reason to be pure anything outside of the new chapter approved that give obsec to keyword specific detachments(aeldari and ynnari probably wont get obsec). Ynnari still lose them anyways ofc.

Take covens along with a spirit host or kabalites and harlequins in the same detachment.  The universe is ours!
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PostSubject: Re: Fitting Keywords covens into detachments and using haemi and Urien   Fri Aug 25 2017, 10:55


@TheHostwiththeMost wrote:
Take covens along with a spirit host or kabalites and harlequins in the same detachment. The universe is ours!

But can we take kabalites with coven and get the haem and urien master of pain power - surely teh detachement has to be formed around the coven keyword to activate teh power and <covens> exclludes kabs.
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PostSubject: Re: Fitting Keywords covens into detachments and using haemi and Urien   Fri Aug 25 2017, 11:05

Master of Pain only works on models with the COVENS keyword but that doesn't mean it stops working in a detachment that contains other models without that keyword. It just doesn't effect those models!

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PostSubject: Re: Fitting Keywords covens into detachments and using haemi and Urien   Sat Aug 26 2017, 21:05


Thanks Count,

I felt like that's how it should work but I couldn't see where the rules specify that?
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PostSubject: Re: Fitting Keywords covens into detachments and using haemi and Urien   Sat Aug 26 2017, 22:07

It's more a case of where is the rule that prevents it working that way? You have a rule that gives you an ability. In order to lose that ability you would need another rule to remove it in a given circumstance.

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PostSubject: Re: Fitting Keywords covens into detachments and using haemi and Urien   Sun Aug 27 2017, 01:12

An unfortunate side effect of the good Count's reasoning is that, out of context, his justifications sounds an awful lot like the 'where does it say I can't do this' brand of rules-lawyering.

But you can take just about anything out of context and make it sound bad.

e.g. "Count Adhemar monitors our communications."

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PostSubject: Re: Fitting Keywords covens into detachments and using haemi and Urien   Sun Aug 27 2017, 07:28

@Ikol wrote:
An unfortunate side effect of the good Count's reasoning is that, out of context, his justifications sounds an awful lot like the 'where does it say I can't do this' brand of rules-lawyering.

But you can take just about anything out of context and make it sound bad.

e.g. "Count Adhemar monitors our communications."

XD

I see all!

But no, you'll note I said that you first need a rule to give you an ability before you start worrying about rules that might take it away.

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PostSubject: Re: Fitting Keywords covens into detachments and using haemi and Urien   Sun Aug 27 2017, 11:34

Let's put this another way :
All your units must share one faction keyword. Be it Aeldari, Drukhari... That faction keyword determines the nature of your army, and the array of stratagems you have access to.

But your units do not "lose" the other keywords, and can still use them to interract with each other. So if you create a "Aeldari" army made of Harlequins and Coven, the coven units will be buffed by the Haemy, and the Harlies by the Troupe Master.

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