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mattblowers
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PostSubject: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament   Tue Aug 22 2017, 14:51

Just now taking my Dark Eldar out to play for this edition. So far I have found that they play pretty much the same as they did last edition: I play keep away and try to win on objective scoring. After a few practice games last week where I really struggled, here is my list trying to maximize on the damage I can to while running away.

HQs: 1 archon with Blaster and agonizer
1 haemi with electro whip


Troops: 2x 5 Kabalite with blaster
1x 5 kabalite
2x wracks with agaonizer
elites: 1x 5 blasterborn

Tranpsorts: 4x vemon (base, I don't find the upgrade worth the points after the nerf)

Fliers:
2x razorwing jets with dissies and splinter cannon

Outrider detachment:
1 haemi with electro whip
Heavy: 1x ravager with 3 dissies
1x ravager with 3 dark lances.
1x tauntulus

Everything that can be <Coven> is for the +1 toughness.

Here's my thinking behind the list: Everything has fly to keep running away and shooting. Everything is <kabal> for ITC Obsec. Mobile and shooty. I don't necessarily like the archons in the list, but with the ITC ruling you need to be all <kabal>, <wych cult>, or <coven> to get obsec in the same formation. This really limits the army in my opinion and gives even more hamstrings to a struggling army. If I'm going to need to run away and shoot, then by god I'm going to be the best I can be at running and shooting.

Thoughts?


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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament   Wed Aug 23 2017, 15:22

Update to my list. I dropped a venom and 3 units of kabalites ( 1 blaster, 2 regular), and an archon to add 2 Haemoculi with electrocorrosive whips and 2 units of wracks with agonizers. This makes the army potentially WAY more resilient. T:5 wracks, T:6 venoms, and T:8 tantulus? sounds good to me. And the Archon gives everyone LD:9 riding in the tantulus. Should make the army better at what it does.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament   Wed Aug 23 2017, 20:01

Can you edit your original post to show what the list looks Ike now ?

I also think whether Coven or Kabal you should swap a Ravager for another Flier to get that extra CP.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament   Thu Aug 24 2017, 12:57

I have a voidraven on the way, but for now the 2 fliers is all I have or I would think about it. I'd lose a command point to drop a ravager though so the CP would be a wash. Do you find ravagers less efficient than fliers?
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament   Fri Aug 25 2017, 01:31

Ouch, I knew ITC updated the other day I missed the part about being all <kabal> <coven> to get obsec
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament   Fri Aug 25 2017, 02:08

I personally prefer the Fliers. They're more resilient and way, way more mobile.

They can't soak Overwatch but I just find their ability to get deep into enemy back lines well worth it.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament   Fri Aug 25 2017, 07:19

Is it really worth being more resilient with an army that isn't designed to be resilient. Would the warriors with blasters be better for your alpha strike/ beta strike. You know what they say the best defence is a good offence. And surely the difference between t5 and t6 venoms is not that great when you have anti tank weapons shooting at them.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament   Fri Aug 25 2017, 15:39

There's a decent amount of S5/6 shooting going around - Wave Serpent spam, lots of Storm Bolters and Assault Cannons and such in imperium, so the T6 can make a big difference. The choice is a 2+ Blaster or a T+1 bubble.

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament   Fri Aug 25 2017, 17:09

@Asgog wrote:
Is it really worth being more resilient with an army that isn't designed to be resilient. Would the warriors with blasters be better for your alpha strike/ beta strike. You know what they say the best defence is a good offence. And surely the difference between t5 and t6 venoms is not that great when you have anti tank weapons shooting at them.

I think so. Venoms are so cheap you will almost always have more drops and you need to survive the first turn. I'm literally only paying the cost of a haemonculus for it and he's better than an archon. Plus the haemis box is a great counter to Malefic lord spam. The venoms are a bonus. The T:8 tantulus is a big deal as are T:5 wracks.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament   Fri Aug 25 2017, 17:14

@lament.config wrote:
Ouch, I knew ITC updated the other day I missed the part about being all <kabal> <coven> to get obsec

They clarified on their podcast this week that if you are all Drukhari you get obsec. The <Keyword> bit was confusing. The last I heard Nova was still going with the more restrictive interpretation.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts on 2k list for ITC tournament   Wed Aug 30 2017, 19:32

The current FAQ only states that the detachment must be Drukhari to get Obsec
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