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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Sep 01 2017, 23:36

im 99.99999999% sure Quins will have their own book.

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sat Sep 02 2017, 00:25

@amishprn86 wrote:
im 99.99999999% sure Quins will have their own book.

Probably.

What about Ynnari though? Surely even GW can't stretch 3 models into an entire codex? Wink
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sat Sep 02 2017, 05:24

Well at least they aren't doing just imperium and chaos in their first 10. And the CWE codex will give us an idea of what they are looking at doing for the DE
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sat Sep 02 2017, 10:51

@Archon_91 wrote:
Well at least they aren't doing just imperium and chaos in their first 10. And the CWE codex will give us an idea of what they are looking at doing for the DE

Because the design and rules of CW and DE had so much in common in 7th edition ^^

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sat Sep 02 2017, 16:12

Lol ... What I meant was if CWE get blander in rules we can expect the same for DE, if they get more exciting and have thematical tricks, relics, and a couple of new models to update the line ... Then it's pretty reasonable to assume DE will get the same treatment (to a possible lesser extent but still)
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sat Sep 02 2017, 16:28

That's what i understood. But i disagree.

In 7th edition, CW eldars got better rules, more options, a ton of special HQs, a huge list of formations and detachments (half of them absolutly broken), tons of weapons, super cheap units, Strength D everywhere... we had no options, 1 formation, bad weaponry, only a few (all bad) HQs...

So assuming that the fortune of CW implies the fortune of DE is a terrible mistake in my eyes ^^

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sat Sep 02 2017, 16:36

Mm I see your point ... But I still think it'll give us a few hints as to what can be expected at release for xenos factions seein as tyranid are gonna be released before we are as well. And as CWE are "close" to DE, and not having "allies" this edition and with the emphasis on taking a single faction keyword. Seeing what they do with one could hint at what they do with another.
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sat Sep 02 2017, 17:27

Im pretty sure everyone is getting the same treatment these days, the same amount of artifacts, stratagems etc...

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sat Sep 02 2017, 18:13

@amishprn86 wrote:
Im pretty sure everyone is getting the same treatment these days, the same amount of artifacts, stratagems etc...

Not quite. At the very least, it looks like it's going to depend on what chapters (or equivalents) they have available.

e.g. SMs and Chaos have a pile of artefacts and stratagems and then get one extra of each for each chapter they have. Meanwhile, GKs just get the single pile of artefacts and strategies.

So in essence, it's likely to depend on how many 'chapters' each race is given. e.g. if Eldar are given rules for 10 Craftworlds and we're given rules for 3 factions, then they're going to have 7 more artefacts and strategies than us.


Something else to note is that, even if all races are given roughly equal treatment in terms of what they're given, we have to remember that not all races were treated equally when it came to taking stuff away. Evil or Very Mad

Yeah, marines got their artefacts back. However, Formations notwithstanding, those artefacts were basically all they lost. In contrast, we've had virtually all our non-weapon wargear removed (no more Soul Trap, no more Splinter Racks, no more Haywire Grenades, no more Clone Field, no more WWP etc.), and that's not even counting all the stuff that the 7th edition book stripped away.

So, even if we get back our artefacts, we're still going to have lost a lot more than the others.

I believe Necrons are in the same boat - with Overlords and Lords having all of 1 non-weapon Wargear option (Destroyers get a whole 2 non-weapons to pick from, but aren't allowed to choose both).
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sun Sep 03 2017, 14:05

yes
my first guess was right, that CE will comes next Smile
but DE *sigh* we'll have to wait I guess
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sun Sep 03 2017, 16:27

IMO the longer we wait for a codex the more likely it will be better balanced.

This is a living Rule book and after all codexs are released we will get Updates like the Generals Handbook, but i'd rather be more balanced longer than unbalanced and waiting for that handbook.

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sun Sep 03 2017, 16:56

@amishprn86 wrote:
IMO the longer we wait for a codex the more likely it will be better balanced.

Keep telling yourself that. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sun Sep 03 2017, 17:18

At the same time, the longer we wait for a codex, the shorter will be the period in which it is relevant.
Let's not fool ourselves believing that 8th edition will be the last one Smile

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sun Sep 03 2017, 17:30

Waiting long i mean 3-5months..... come on guys they are doing 10 codex's in 5 months, and they said they wanted all codexs out as soon as possible, us getting it before december vs in jan/feb isnt going to make us worst or more likely to not get updated in 8th and bad for 9th........ even if 8th only lasts 3yrs thats still 2yrs of a codex that will be updated at least 2x.

GW is even at the tournaments watching the top lists and making changes... please be real.

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sun Sep 03 2017, 18:06

I can be realistic or I can be optimistic but not both. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Sun Sep 03 2017, 18:17

I'm just not making assumptions. 3-5 months seems short to me, but not impossible. That said, I haven't forgotten the 10 years between our first codex and our second.

There's also no reason to assume the current rate of codex releases will continue until everyone has one. GW's inability to pick an approach to codices and stick with it in 7th ed might even suggest that it won't.

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Mon Sep 04 2017, 07:13

GW has mentioned multiple times that they work on armies they feel enthousiastic for.
So I also doubt everyone will have a new codex before the high codex output will go down.
Now I think we will get one before the summer next year, but I doubt every faction will have one by that time.
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Mon Sep 04 2017, 13:59

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GW has mentioned multiple times that they work on armies they feel enthousiastic for.
So I also doubt everyone will have a new codex before the high codex output will go down.
Now I think we will get one before the summer next year, but I doubt every faction will have one by that time.

That was old GW, i mean that CEO stepped down (Tom Kirby) near the end of 7th, and its clear (at least to me) that the new one (Kevin Rountree) is not working GW the same way.

(Technically Tom stepped down like 2 years ago but he was still leading the teams and let Kevin make some ideas to show the investors that he (Tom) knew best, after a few of Kevin ideas made gold.. aka GW lots of money, the investors push Tom out the door)

Edit: I mean Kevin even updated the SoB rules and made them work, Tom would never have done that.

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Mon Sep 04 2017, 20:49

If "new GW" really is completely and fundamentally different in approach from "old GW" then we have almost no data to base predictions on. I just think we need to be careful about projecting wishful thinking onto them.

"New GW" has done a lot of things that I've liked, but so far in 8th ed they've only released codices for different types of Space Marines, models for different types of Space Marines, and run a global campaign about Space Marines fighting other Space Marines.

(If you're saying, "well, of course, Space Marines are what sell" then what would their motivation be to release any Xenos books at all ever?)

Since the Craftworlds and Tyranids will be the first Xenos codices in 8th ed, it will be interesting to see how they're handled. Will they get any new models? Will they get a global campaign? And after them will it be another five Space Marine codices in a row?

Those aren't leading questions, I really don't know.

....ok, fine, the bit about another global campaign is a leading question, because it seems really unlikely that GW would do a global campaign about Eldar or Tyranids, which seems like part of the point.

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Mon Sep 04 2017, 22:08

I mean, im not going to say they are lying when so far they are 8 out of 10 codex's on the release, a update to the rule book and just said they are working on getting out the rest of the codex's shortly.

Im just saying, given what we have seen is all Smile

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