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PostSubject: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 16:37

So in the last editions the Eldar codex wasalways released after the Spacies and Chaos Spacies codexes and because their still loved and played by so many people the eldar codex will probably next. But they realeased 2 codexes at once so i thing with the Eldar and Dark eldar being repackaged right now i think they could get the new codex and all memes aside i think GW will listen to our cryouts for help. Harleys will probbly come after like grey knight came after spacies. Jsut my idea whats your guys' Thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 16:42

I think the first non-Imperium/Chaos releases will be T'au, Nids, and maybe Orkz.

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 16:57

Quite some time ago, I'm talking pre-gathering storm 3, there were rumors about the release of models for abaddon, mortarion and some dark eldar character with a bunch of models.
Now, if you stretch the time release long enough maybe...

I still believe dark eldar will not be the next release.
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 17:19

We kinda have to come to terms with some facts. Dark Eldar isn't the most popular Xenos faction, not by a long shot. We exist a bit on the fringe, and to the rest of the player base (More commonly known as "hapless prey"), we're often forgotten. While I would love a codex, we have to face that we're on the back burner...if, indeed, we're on a burner at all.

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 17:47

I think we'll be next year.

As I've been hearing it, GW are expecting to have all of the Codexes for existing armies out by one year after 8th released. I highly suspect we'll either be one of the last, or if we ARE soon, it'll be a single Aeldari book with narrative themed on Ynnari.
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 17:56

Well with how the Indexs are grouped, with all the eldar factions in the same one, i don't think we will see any codexs for eldars before next year, unless GW feels it is needed to progress the fluff.

If they are going to release any sort of Aeldari codex this year, it will more likely be like the SM codex, with all the Aeldari factions in there.
Imo its overall more likely, no matter when they release the codex(s), it will be a collected Aeldari codex, simply because Harlequins got so few units, and Ynnari kinda need access to all 3 (4 if you count corsairs) factions to even make an army.
That doesnt mean they wont make supplements for subfactions.
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 18:12

My guess is Asuriani codex with subdivision for craftworlds a la sm/csm, drukhari codex with minimal or without subdivision like gray knights (not necessarily in that order), then harleys and ynnary, possibly as supplements like in 7th.
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 18:16

The thing is that if they maybe release a unpopular army codex and make them really good or even competetive worthy then more players whould maybe buy DE units. I mean they would only do it for the money but we would have good codex, that was my thought here
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 18:21

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if they maybe release a unpopular army codex and make them really good or even competetive worthy then more players whould maybe buy DE units. I mean they would only do it for the money but we would have good codex, that was my thought here

If our 7th Edition codex (utter trash) and Index (one bad FAQ away from lower tier) are anything to go off of, I find that a little unlikely.

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 18:29

Games Workshop creating a Dark Eldar meta would piss me off.
DE is a hipster army, and i hope they will never be what Necrons, T'au or CW were in 7th edition, a.k.a. a cheese army that every powergamer jumps into without caring for the fluff. DE players have learned the game the hard way, with their history of crappy codex. Giving them a "7th necrons/T'au-like" codex would almost be insulting.

Also, i'd rather no see GW rush a 'dex for DE in the first months, and see it become obsolete in 3 months when the T'au codex hits the shelves, and they get tools to counter every single option we have ("ignore cover" : same, but different).
Power from Patience, my friends. We will get a codex. Why rush it ?

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 18:52

.tbh i didnt start DE for their fluff but for them awsone models

And why we want a codex cuz playing against the 3 armies who have codexes is aids just because they out-rule you with their psi , weapons and special characters
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 18:57

We had a codex in 7th edition, and they still out-ruled us.
Dark Eldar have been underdogs for years. I'd rather have GW wait a bit, and give us a codex when the edition is stable (if it ever is).
If they release it now, trust me, it will have every single issue that the index has. So let them think and work over it, and maybe we'll have a decent codex.

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 19:57

I'm all for waiting for a decent codex.

This did bring up an interesting question, though. I wonder what the sales data for DE looks like. I'd be really interested to see a 3 or 5 year metric of sales by faction. I'm sure Space Marines are way at the top, but I'm curious to see where we fall in there.
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 20:06

We have had ONE decent codex, and that codex was only decent because of allied farseers in our beastpacks.

I'm not holding out hope for a great codex.

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 20:17

One thing i'm sure : in 8th edition, the "faction that got buffed because GW wanted to sell it to everyone" is CSM. They just went from bottom of the meta (ex aequo with Nids) to the top tier.

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 21:41

@Mppqlmd wrote:
Games Workshop creating a Dark Eldar meta would piss me off.
DE is a hipster army, and i hope they will never be what Necrons, T'au or CW were in 7th edition, a.k.a. a cheese army that every powergamer jumps into without caring for the fluff. DE players have learned the game the hard way, with their history of crappy codex. Giving them a "7th necrons/T'au-like" codex would almost be insulting.

Let me get this strait... You hope Druhkari will be a bottom tier army, just so you can feel hipster? lol!
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 21:43

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Let me get this strait... You hope Druhkari will be a bottom tier army, just so you can feel hipster? lol!

Hey, every True Kin has a massacist side Wink

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 21:45

I thought it were a sadistic side :S
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 21:53

Well that was also due to the progression of the story ... Remember chaos was bottom tier when hell (literally) broke loose during the gathering storm campaign and only after that did the rest of the chaos stuff follow in strength with the few small bits of chaos that got massively strong. We haven't seen what they plan on doing with any xenos army yet. I'm interested in xenos in general cause the storyline GW is trying to push doesn't feature them at all and honestly ... I feel the Orks and Nids at the very least would be loving the galactic surge in both fighting and organic mass. And to be perfectly honest I feel like the Aelidari wouldn't just stand by and watch this happen ... All of them would step in, together or separately, to try and close that rip in the galaxy as I'm damn sure even the psychically diminished Dark eldar would suddenly erupt with psychic power awakening after centuries and feeling the eyes of she who thirsts combing the galaxy looking for them. But I also don't think they should all band together under the Yncarne either ...
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 21:59

I've heard that GW is putting Xenos on the back burner to focus on the Imperium Vs Chaos thing...I'm just wondering...has this ever not been the case in ANY previous edition?

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 22:04

@Keast Kannegaard wrote:

Let me get this strait... You hope Druhkari will be a bottom tier army, just so you can feel hipster? lol!

I stated i didn't want DE to be the new top meta army. I want them to stay what they have always been : a powerful yet challenging army that forces you to think and thrive.
I started DE for that very specific reason : my Ork army in fun, but not really challenging in terms of depth of gameplay. I wanted something more tactical, more subtle. If DE becomes the new cheese and i can steamroll everyone without breaking a sweat, i think i'll lose interest.

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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 22:07

It would definitely make me focus more on my Imperial Guard, I'll be honest.

I started DE because they had the most tricks. I want an army that's like Batman's toolbelt: there's all kinds of crazy shtuff in there, and you can use them in a number of combinations to insidious effect.
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 22:51

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@Keast Kannegaard wrote:

Let me get this strait... You hope Druhkari will be a bottom tier army, just so you can feel hipster? lol!

I stated i didn't want DE to be the new top meta army. I want them to stay what they have always been : a powerful yet challenging army that forces you to think and thrive.
I started DE for that very specific reason : my Ork army in fun, but not really challenging in terms of depth of gameplay. I wanted something more tactical, more subtle. If DE becomes the new cheese and i can steamroll everyone without breaking a sweat, i think i'll lose interest.

Thing is tho... There will never be a "hard to play" army... As soon as something is deemed good or OP, the tryhards will run to the that army, look at tau, eldar and necrons last edition, tho to a lesser scale as unlike games like LoL and Dota, building an army actually cost a bit of money.

The only way to "prevent" that is always being at the bottom, where you win 1 out of 4 and you know it was because your opponent frak up and not because you were better...
Which kinda have led to this "whining culture" there is on TDC atm, where ppl kinda spending more time on "how would x unit be much better if...", instead of "how can we use x unit the best?", couse DE got some units, thats pretty damn good atm, and the bottom tier units gotten much smaller than it was in 7th. - rant end -

Personal i hope for an Aeldari Codex with all the factions in it, much like the SM/xenos 1 index, just with more depth.
With an Aeldari codex there is also a higher chance they will fix the problems Druhkari has from the index, instead of it being a "oh we also got this army? who are they again?", which the index to some extend feels like with some of the units. Not all, but some needs a rework compared to the index, if for no other reason, then for the sale of the units.
At the same time we wont have to buy 4 codexs to mix and match armies, if thats what we want, or play Ynnari.
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 23:00

@Keast Kannegaard wrote:
an Aeldari Codex with all the factions in it, much like the SM/xenos 1 index, just with more depth.

Muses have mercy, I really hope not.
An aeldari codex would mean drukhari, harlequins and ynnari would be a flavor of aeldari instead of complete proper armies, meaning we would get basic stratagems plus one for being spiky and one relic, instead of a complete set of both.
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PostSubject: Re: !!not official!! DE codex might be next   Fri Aug 18 2017, 23:01

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The only way to "prevent" that is always being at the bottom, where you win 1 out of 4 and you know it was because your opponent frak up and not because you were better...

Hum, i think it's going to be hard to agree on this conversation if our experiences are so far appart. My winrate was very decent with DE, even in 7th edition where we were clearly underpowered.

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tho to a lesser scale as unlike games like LoL and Dota, building an army actually cost a bit of money.
If you insist on the comparison, i view the DE a bit as something like Meepo (i think ? it's been a while) in DotA. An army that is potentialy powerful, but not so popular because extremely demanding.

But i don't think we'll get an Aeldari codex. That's what the index is for. GW has shown that codexes will be very focused, so i think we'll have a standalone DE codex, followed (much later) by supplements for Kabal/Cult/Coven.

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