HomeDark Eldar WikiDark Eldar ResourcesNull CityFAQUsergroupsRegisterLog in
Share | 
 

 Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
Go to page : Previous  1, 2
AuthorMessage
dumpeal
Wych
avatar

Posts : 534
Join date : 2015-02-13
Location : Québec

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Tue Aug 22 2017, 17:52

@The Shredder wrote:
@Mppqlmd wrote:
I'm amazed at the thought that the most efficient role of our glorious and fearful leader is tarpiting his foes.

I'm likewise amazed at how selfless our leaders are, in spite of being cutthroat and backstabbing at all other times.

"Quickly men - carry out your mission while they're busy killing me!"

more like

"Do all the job, while I feast. Those one look... healthy"
Back to top Go down
Dirtydeeds
Hellion


Posts : 70
Join date : 2013-12-10

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Tue Aug 22 2017, 19:25

Just don't forget to save some commands points to reroll that 1 for an archon's invul save!
Back to top Go down
lcfr
Sybarite
avatar

Posts : 302
Join date : 2013-10-20
Location : Toronto

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Tue Aug 22 2017, 19:51

@Dirtydeeds wrote:
Just don't forget to save some commands points to reroll that 1 for an archon's invul save!

Alas, you can't reroll the Shadow Field saving throw for any reason Sad

...if they let us I think we might all be considerably more pleased with the Archon though *do you hear us GW?!*
Back to top Go down
Dirtydeeds
Hellion


Posts : 70
Join date : 2013-12-10

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Wed Aug 23 2017, 14:27

@lcfr wrote:
@Dirtydeeds wrote:
Just don't forget to save some commands points to reroll that 1 for an archon's invul save!

Alas, you can't reroll the Shadow Field saving throw for any reason Sad

...if they let us I think we might all be considerably more pleased with the Archon though *do you hear us GW?!*


Yeah I noticed that last night during my game, sorry for the misinformation all!

But the strategy still works.
Back to top Go down
The Red King
Hekatrix
avatar

Posts : 1131
Join date : 2013-07-09

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Wed Aug 23 2017, 20:00

Tarpitting with a unit that only really needs 6 wounds on average dice to lose his save (and against most high strength low attack units, die) doesn't seem like a great use.

Minor gripe. 2 imperial codex have easy access to a 2+ invuln that CAN be rerolled.

I guess it's to keep all those Archons from dominating the top tables like last edition.... wait....
Back to top Go down
Mppqlmd
Hekatrix
avatar

Posts : 1160
Join date : 2017-07-05

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Wed Aug 23 2017, 20:24

@The Red King wrote:
Tarpitting with a unit that only really needs 6 wounds on average dice to lose his save (and against most high strength low attack units, die) doesn't seem like a great use.

Minor gripe. 2 imperial codex have easy access to a 2+ invuln that CAN be rerolled.

I guess it's to keep all those Archons from dominating the top tables like last edition.... wait....

It's to make sure you don't use those precious CP on a useless model Smile

_________________
My Kabal
Back to top Go down
The Red King
Hekatrix
avatar

Posts : 1131
Join date : 2013-07-09

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Wed Aug 23 2017, 20:28

That sounds perfectly right to me lol

_________________
For Khaela Mensha Khaine!
Back to top Go down
The Shredder
Trueborn
avatar

Posts : 2737
Join date : 2013-04-11

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Wed Aug 23 2017, 20:29

@Mppqlmd wrote:
@The Red King wrote:
Tarpitting with a unit that only really needs 6 wounds on average dice to lose his save (and against most high strength low attack units, die) doesn't seem like a great use.

Minor gripe. 2 imperial codex have easy access to a 2+ invuln that CAN be rerolled.

I guess it's to keep all those Archons from dominating the top tables like last edition.... wait....

It's to make sure you don't use those precious CP on a useless model Smile

I wish I could refute this. silent
Back to top Go down
Lord Nakariial
Kabalite Warrior
avatar

Posts : 134
Join date : 2017-09-18
Location : Australia, Second Deadliest Place in the Galaxy

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Thu Sep 21 2017, 01:42

What about Drazhar? He seems expensive, but if he gets a charge off with a load of incubi he would be doing a fair bit of damage to anything really. Probably not the best due to cost, but if you want a killy Lord over a tarpit Lord it may be a viable option?

_________________
Back to top Go down
FuelDrop
Wych
avatar

Posts : 887
Join date : 2015-06-21

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Thu Sep 21 2017, 02:53

Never bring Drazhar. He is crap. Compare him to any other named character within 20 points on either side and he is crap. Compare him to Kahne the betrayer and he is extra crap.

_________________
My homebrew codex is really coming along. Check it out here, and feel free to post a comment!
Back to top Go down
The Shredder
Trueborn
avatar

Posts : 2737
Join date : 2013-04-11

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Thu Sep 21 2017, 09:37

Yeah, right now Drazhar is just a glorified Klaivex.
Back to top Go down
FuelDrop
Wych
avatar

Posts : 887
Join date : 2015-06-21

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Thu Sep 21 2017, 09:56

@The Shredder wrote:
Yeah, right now Drazhar is just a glorified Klaivex.

I would even argue that he's not as good as a scaled-up Klaivex in killing power due to lacking Lethal Precision. Give a Klaivex +1 S and +1 A and you have something that can outkill their phoenix lord.

_________________
My homebrew codex is really coming along. Check it out here, and feel free to post a comment!
Back to top Go down
DevilDoll
Hellion
avatar

Posts : 27
Join date : 2013-08-16

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Thu Sep 21 2017, 11:56

Drazhar is so ridiculously bad (as any of our named HQs tbh) it kills me inside every time i look at his stats... I dont understand how anyone in their right mind would use him unless they have tons of points to burn...
Back to top Go down
The Shredder
Trueborn
avatar

Posts : 2737
Join date : 2013-04-11

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Thu Sep 21 2017, 12:44

@FuelDrop wrote:
@The Shredder wrote:
Yeah, right now Drazhar is just a glorified Klaivex.

I would even argue that he's not as good as a scaled-up Klaivex in killing power due to lacking Lethal Precision. Give a Klaivex +1 S and +1 A and you have something that can outkill their phoenix lord.

I think the most telling thing is that if you give the Klaivex an extra attack, he'll have more attacks than Drazhar.

@DevilDoll wrote:
Drazhar is so ridiculously bad (as any of our named HQs tbh) it kills me inside every time i look at his stats... I dont understand how anyone in their right mind would use him unless they have tons of points to burn...

A while back I was considering what an Incubi HQ might look like (a generic one, not a special character).

I started with a Klaivex but immediately ran into the issue that (as above) if I increased his attacks at all then he'd have more attacks than Drazhar himself.

What's more, pretty much any buff I could give him would far exceed Drazhar's miserable excuse for an Aura (which becomes completely useless from turn 3 onwards).

Also, my natural inclination would be to give him the Klaivex's ability (+2 damage on to-wound rolls of 6). I mean, his weapons don't replace this ability in any way and he should be at least as good in combat as a Klaivex, so why wouldn't he have it? Yet, once again, I ran into the issue wherein Drazhar somehow lacks this ability. I guess the most skilled Incubi warrior ever forgot how to land precise strikes. scratch

Put simply, I was tripping over ways to make a decent Incubi HQ, who would inadvertently exceed Drazhar in basically everything bar survivability.

Were the developers trying to make him awful? Did GW want an excuse to just ditch him in the codex and not have to recast his ancient model? Neutral
Back to top Go down
Lord Nakariial
Kabalite Warrior
avatar

Posts : 134
Join date : 2017-09-18
Location : Australia, Second Deadliest Place in the Galaxy

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Sat Sep 23 2017, 03:05

I see...no Drazhar then! Razz

_________________
Back to top Go down
FuelDrop
Wych
avatar

Posts : 887
Join date : 2015-06-21

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Sat Sep 23 2017, 03:39

@Lord Nakariial wrote:
I see...no Drazhar then! Razz

Indeed. Just grab another squad of incubi, they will serve you much better.

The Archon has one defining virtue among DE HQs: He's cheap. I would argue that he is the best HQ we have by dint of being around 20 points cheaper base than any of the competition.

I do think that his only real use is to soak fire and eat charges meant for actually valuable units is a sad reflection on our leader. As I said to my friend who plays Chaos (and thus has a ton of really nice HQ options), I would rather have the archon stand in front of my blasterborn squad and eat all the fire and attacks rather than lose something valuable.

_________________
My homebrew codex is really coming along. Check it out here, and feel free to post a comment!
Back to top Go down
Lord Nakariial
Kabalite Warrior
avatar

Posts : 134
Join date : 2017-09-18
Location : Australia, Second Deadliest Place in the Galaxy

PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?   Sat Sep 23 2017, 11:12

We still have hope, our Codex hasn't dropped which means this is the time to try and get GW to listen. Here's hoping we get some characters and an Archon with a decked out ride Wink

_________________
Back to top Go down
 
Haemonculus instead of Archon in Kabal lists?
View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 2 of 2Go to page : Previous  1, 2

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
THE DARK CITY :: 

COMMORRAGH TACTICA

 :: Dark Eldar Tactics
-
Jump to: