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PostSubject: Tips to improve   Sun Jul 30 2017, 15:32

Hey,

So I'm returning to 40k after a very very long absence and I have half-painted my first couple of models after like 10 years. I'd say I'm neither thrilled nor appalled at my efforts so far but would look to you guys for some help on how to get this main armour colour down as my painting skills were mediocre at best back in the day, and now I'm a little lost!

Method used:
Prime black
base caledor sky
layer lothern blue
shade drakenhof nightshade
layer lothern blue
highlight lothern blue + ceramite white

I'm fairly happy with the overall colour but the coverage isn't very smooth and I'm just not sure highlighting/shading is right (messy painting aside)

Would love to hear your thoughts on acheiving the right finish. I took a lot of inspiration from Mechanicum Jon's dark eldar (https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/378881.page) but was unsure about the idea of basecoating them with the blue spray.

Let me know what you guys think I could do to improve - I'm eager to get my painting up to a higher standard!

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PostSubject: Re: Tips to improve   Sun Jul 30 2017, 17:59

First of all: thin your paints, your shades are too deep and you could use better transition on highlights. Second of all: use wet palette for prolonged use of paints. Check out this youtube channel, been learning from him for some time now, his methods are clean, easy to apply and fun to watch. The War Gamer

My army has sorta similar paint scheme (blue-white with red/green finishers) so you might want to check out my painting blog and if any model/painting effect catches your interest, drop me a PM here or on Tumblr and I'll be glad to share. Smile


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PostSubject: Re: Tips to improve   Sun Jul 30 2017, 18:45

Thanks for the tips! I have been thinning my paints but perhaps not enough, I should look up a little more guidance there. Your paint scheme is lovely so I'm gonna drop you a PM!
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PostSubject: Re: Tips to improve   Sun Jul 30 2017, 18:46

Yea. I recommend watching some vids too. Its actually fun watching the paint to dry. Very Happy
Thinning - crucial
Wet palette - great help

In addition those videos will give you basic ideas of how the colours interact, how different types of paint behave and your painting will cease to be trial and error, but a learned attempt where you will see improvement with every miniature you paint.
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PostSubject: Re: Tips to improve   Mon Jul 31 2017, 10:16

Watch the games workshop official youtube channel, its really good for beginer painters.



All their videos will give you the same basics.

Also painting & speed dont really fit in the same sentence, is my only personal advice, sadly.
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PostSubject: Re: Tips to improve   Mon Jul 31 2017, 16:46

Thin your paints (base & layer) with roughly ~1/3 1/4 water, and apply 2 coats each.
Wait for it to completly dry between each coat.

For smoothness, 1 word : Lahmia medium.
It's a GW technical, basically "water" that dilute your paints, without removing their properties (shade will still go where they are supposed to be, etc.).

Another key to improve & get better tabletop results is to improve contrasts.
For me you could add a little more white to your highlights (basically 3/4 blue 1/4 white, with a drop of lahmia) for your first hightlight, and the add a second highlight with ~2/3blue 1/3 white, hell even try 1/2 both. To apply only on edgier edges.


Also spend some time on your bases, GW now offers nice technical to do them nice & clean very quickly. With you'r blue color scheme, you might try the red mars stuff, should make em' pop !

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PostSubject: Re: Tips to improve   Tue Aug 01 2017, 07:33

Thanks for the the extra tips Smile

Re the Lahmia medium, is this for both paints and washes? Definitely agree that the highlights could be higher contrast, though that will work better as my. RUshwork improves cause they are some janky highlights right now Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Tips to improve   Tue Aug 01 2017, 08:38

Lahmia works with everything, it's basically the diluant of every paint, without any pigment.

You can also use it as a matt varnish (example : official warhamaerTv tutorial, Alarielle scarab horns, around 6 mins).

But mainly yeah it's a paint/shade thinner, mainly used to create custom 'glacis' (can't remember the EN term) in order to make puerfect gradients (example : official power sward tutorial)).

Also mentionned before, I recommand adding a drop to your mixes, it helps getting paints more blended.

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PostSubject: Re: Tips to improve   Tue Aug 01 2017, 09:04

Gonna add this as I think of it, a couple more advices :

- Gently get rid of molding marks before priming, they are some tutorials on the web about it.

- A "quick" way to add personnality and prestige to your army is to add OSL (Oriented Source Light) effects to your miniatures. Again they are lots of tutorials ( Chest of color OSL tuto ) and example freely accessible.

Some places where you can OSL :
- guns & pistols
- backpacks events
- helmets eyes
- vehicules propulsion

Less comon areas
- vials & gems
- bases (lava, lamps, etc.)
- Esoteric gear, psychic powers
- electronic gear (ex: reavers radars)

But don't overuse it, pick one or 2 max for your army, maybe 3 on character.
Honestly with lahmia & some practice it's not that hard nor time consuming.

Courtesy of google & nice painters all around the world






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PostSubject: Re: Tips to improve   Tue Aug 01 2017, 11:58

I love these glowing effects. How do you do them without a paint brush?

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PostSubject: Re: Tips to improve   Tue Aug 01 2017, 14:10

Put paint on a finger.
Lahmia on another finger.
Press fingers together, swirl.

Apply on miniature.

Profit







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PostSubject: Re: Tips to improve   Tue Aug 01 2017, 14:15

*Sacarsm mode over*

If you meant without an air brush, and with a paint brush, simply dilute really thinly your paint with lahmia (9/10 lahmia).

In your full OSL area
Apply on a large zone.
Apply on smaller zone inside the first.
Apply on smaller zone inside the second.

The more layers, the more intense the color will go. This will ensure a nice gradient.
For a glow effect, play with contrast (neon green/purple/blue on dark areas, reds on white, etc.)

Follow chest of color tut to know how to apply, it's too long to explain on a forum post (and already done with beautiful pictures..).

Just a hint : for metals, use diluted inks istead of paints/shades, this way you won't loose the shininess of metals (else they will look all flat).

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