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PostSubject: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Sun Jul 30 2017, 11:22

Since they release two Codices at the same time, I doubt those two will be getting new models. Ergo: Only new armies like Death Guard and Primaris will recieve new models.

Pleas prove me wrong. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Sun Jul 30 2017, 11:25

Unless they release a box opposing GK and DG Smile

Which sounds very much like what they like to do.
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Sun Jul 30 2017, 11:26

Yeah. But that´s only DG models. No new Chaos models, since DG are getting their own codex. (much like Thousand Sons).
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Sun Jul 30 2017, 15:55

Abbadon is in dire need of a new modeling you ask me
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Sun Jul 30 2017, 22:54

@merse24 wrote:
Abbadon is in dire need of a new modeling you ask me

And arms. Abbadon needs to find his missing arms.
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Sun Jul 30 2017, 23:05

Chaos needs (in that order)
Chaos Space Maines
Khorne Berzerkers, Noise Marines, Plague Marines
Bikes
Havoc unit
Chosen unit
Possessed
Non god upgrade sprue

What they will get:
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 09:40

Think again.

Grey Knights GRAND MASTER IN NEMESIS DREADKNIGHT.

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 09:42

The return of the baby carrier of Justice!
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 10:00

How comes it's okay for Imperium players to have rules for units that require kitbashing or conversion due to not having an official GW model but every single option, let alone entire model, in our codex was removed if there was no official model?

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 10:12

Because SPACE MARINES!
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 10:43

@Squidmaster wrote:


Grey Knights GRAND MASTER IN NEMESIS DREADKNIGHT.

What i'm reading is "expensive HQ that has more than 10 hp and can be targeted by heavy weaponry, thus dying by turn 2".
The best amount of wounds for a HQ is 9. Making your HQ a vehicle is a terrible idea.
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 10:45

@Mppqlmd wrote:
@Squidmaster wrote:


Grey Knights GRAND MASTER IN NEMESIS DREADKNIGHT.

What i'm reading is "expensive HQ that has more than 10 hp and can be targeted by heavy weaponry, thus dying by turn 2".
The best amount of wounds for a HQ is 9. Making your HQ a vehicle is a terrible idea.

Making your WARLORD a vehicle is a terrible idea. Making an average-ass HQ a sufficiently tough vehicle can work well as a distraction carnifex.
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 10:46

To be fair, this "conversion" is basically just a head swap. At best.
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 10:48

This is Grey Knights we are talking about. How many models can a GK player fit into an army ? Do they really want to play distraction carnifex with their expensive HQs made even more expensive by the addition of what is basically a huge target on their faces ?

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 10:51

Depends on the opponent. There is at least one local gamer who I can be certain would take the bait, and could thus be easily manipulated with such a tempting target.

We generally use Mauler Fiends or Fire Prisms. Tasty bait is tasty.
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 11:07

@FuelDrop wrote:

We generally use Mauler Fiends or Fire Prisms. Tasty bait is tasty.
Yup. But i those baits are 150ish points. I don't think the HQ in a Nemesis dread would cost less than 250-300pts, and that's a lot of points for a "Distraction Carnifex!"
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 11:08

True. Maybe I have miscalculated.
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 11:10

The difference between Distraction carnifex and real trouble is speed. If it will have ability and be where it needs to be and assault, its not a distraction its a destruction.

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 11:16

He will probably will be able to teleport, if that's what you're talking about Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 11:17

@Mppqlmd wrote:
He will probably will be able to teleport, if that's what you're talking about Smile

Can we get that feature added to the Talos please?
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 11:19

If we get a Webway portal Stratagem, the popularity of the Taloi should rise a bit Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 11:21

I would take looted grey knight teleporter wired in ork style by this point!

Also, some better AP weapons or horde killing toys for it would be nice.
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 11:26

@FuelDrop wrote:

Also, some better AP weapons or horde killing toys for it would be nice.
The Purgator (i think) is pretty nuts, with heavy6 S4 AP- D3 for 10ish points (if i remember correctly). A good answer to swarms Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Chaos and Grey Knights at the same time   Mon Jul 31 2017, 13:55

@Count Adhemar wrote:
How comes it's okay for Imperium players to have rules for units that require kitbashing or conversion due to not having an official GW model but every single option, let alone entire model, in our codex was removed if there was no official model?

They did remove the option for Khan on a bike in the SM dex. So I guess they are not blindly favoring the imperium in this regard. But it still seems oddly inconsistent with the policy they seemed to have when making the SM dex, to let GK players have a non model option for their titanium baby björn. One could think that maybe they included that option because a kit was coming, but then why would they help people kit bash it now. Or maybe they are seeing through the fingers with small head swap modifications, in order to recoup the sunk costs on that kit.
While all this is a little annoying, I find that it more than makes up for it by the amount of mirth I feel bubbling up when I think about the fact that the White scar chapter master is walking.


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