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PostSubject: 2000 pts Ynnari   Tue Jul 18 2017, 00:53

Battalion Detachment
Farseer Windrunner (Singing Spear)
Farseer Windrunner (Singing Spear)
Incubi (5)
Incubi (5)
Incubi (5)
Incubi (5)
Scatterbikes (3)
Scatterbikes (3)
Scatterbikes (3)
Raider (Lance)
Raider (Lance)
Ravager (Disintegrators)
Ravager (Disintegrators)
Ravager (Disintegrators)
Beastmaster (Agonizer)
Razorwing Flock (5)
Razorwing Flock (5)
Razorwing Flock (5)
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts Ynnari   Tue Jul 18 2017, 02:07

With that many vehicles, why Ynnari?
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts Ynnari   Tue Jul 18 2017, 03:11

First, it lets me use Farseers for my HQs. Free Smites from SfD is a huge benefit.

Second, it dramatically increases the potency of the Incubi and the Windriders.

Being regular DE wouldn't really help the vehicles overly much, anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts Ynnari   Tue Jul 18 2017, 03:40

You can just make it aeldari and run both cause they share the keyword if you dont want it to be ynnari. The pfp bonuses are really good for incubi...

Also are windriders not fast attack now? (Im sure they were but im not near a book andhavent slept in far too long >.>)
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts Ynnari   Tue Jul 18 2017, 03:54

Nope, troops.

I think Ynnari gives more benefits across the army than non-Ynnari. Thanks, though.

I'm more wondering if there are any units that won't pull their weight, or any equipment subs I should make.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts Ynnari   Tue Jul 18 2017, 05:38

not to be a downer, but windriders are definitely fast attack now
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts Ynnari   Tue Jul 18 2017, 10:21

Can confirm, Windriders are Fast Attack now. There was a minor kerfuffle over it. No one really cared because the new FOC's make listbuilding a case of "What do you want to take?" "Squeeze it into these slots."

So, my suggestion would be to take a Vanguard and Outrider detachment

Put 1 Farseer, all Incubi (and from that, the Raiders) in the Vanguard. Keep it Aeldari.

Put 1 Farseer, all Scatterbikes, all Flocks and the Beastmaster in the Outrider Detachment. Make it Ynnari.

Fit the Ravagers in where you please, they don't care whether they're Aeldari or Ynnari as they have neither PFP or SFD. I'd also consider making the Flocks Drukhari (as I can't recall whether they're Infantry (which they'd need to be to benefit from SFD) or whether they even HAVE PFP (Fact Check from the crowd please?).

Gives you one less Command Point, but as your proposed list does not actually FIT in a Battalion... I think you'll either have to make a major change, or go with my proposal.

I'd suggest changing from Scatterbikes to Shurikannon Bikes. The age old debate died with bikes no longer being able to fire Heavy Weapons without Penalty. You average out at hitting the same number of shots after moving. Scannon lets you shoot after advancing and gives you some possible AP-3's, I'd say its a no-brainer, but you might think 12" extra range offered by the ScatterLaser offset this though. *shrug*

I assume the Beastmaster will be taking Ld combat drugs. Agonizer certainly doesn't hurt him. If the Flocks end up as Aeldari, you might want to make him Aeldari too.

Jetseers should be fine. Are they taking/ can you fit Spears?





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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pts Ynnari   Tue Jul 18 2017, 13:47

@Ikol wrote:
Can confirm, Windriders are Fast Attack now.  There was a minor kerfuffle over it.  No one really cared because the new FOC's make listbuilding a case of "What do you want to take?"  "Squeeze it into these slots."


Frak me. Looks like you're right. Dammit...

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Put 1 Farseer, all Incubi (and from that, the Raiders) in the Vanguard.  Keep it Aeldari.

Put 1 Farseer, all Scatterbikes, all Flocks and the Beastmaster in the Outrider Detachment.  Make it Ynnari.

Gotcha. Thanks for the advice. I'll keep both Ynnari though, I think. The Farseers/Windriders don't benefit from being Aeldari, and the Incubi benefit from both.

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Fit the Ravagers in where you please, they don't care whether they're Aeldari or Ynnari as they have neither PFP or SFD.  I'd also consider making the Flocks Drukhari (as I can't recall whether they're Infantry (which they'd need to be to benefit from SFD) or whether they even HAVE PFP (Fact Check from the crowd please?).

Already confirmed, they benefit from neither PFP or SFD. (But they can still trigger SFD for the Incubi.)

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Gives you one less Command Point, but as your proposed list does not actually FIT in a Battalion... I think you'll either have to make a major change, or go with my proposal.

I'd suggest changing from Scatterbikes to Shurikannon Bikes.  The age old debate died with bikes no longer being able to fire Heavy Weapons without Penalty.  You average out at hitting the same number of shots after moving.  Scannon lets you shoot after advancing and gives you some possible AP-3's, I'd say its a no-brainer, but you might think 12" extra range offered by the ScatterLaser offset this though. *shrug*

Good point to consider. I've been debating this myself. My assumption has been that the loss of 1 in 9 shots getting AP-3 is worth it for 12" extra range and increased volume of fire. Might be worth testing out the other way, though.

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I assume the Beastmaster will be taking Ld combat drugs.  Agonizer certainly doesn't hurt him.  If the Flocks end up as Aeldari, you might want to make him Aeldari too.

He cannot be Aeldari. But you're correct, Splintermind is his jam.

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Jetseers should be fine.  Are they taking/ can you fit Spears?

I can, I'm just not sure if I should. I've played two test games with Jetseers so far, and they've both ended without the Singing Spears accomplishing anything. If there's another good place to spend those points, I'm definitely open to options.

I'll rework the list later tonight to make it make sense. Thanks for the advice re: detachments.
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