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PostSubject: FAQ - Understrength Units   Sun Jul 02 2017, 21:10

"If you are using points, you only pay the points for the models you actually have in an understrength unit (and any wargear they are equipped with). An understrength unit still takes up the appropriate slot in a Detachment."

So we can take 4 Scourges with Heavy Weapons and drop the 5th?
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Sun Jul 02 2017, 21:34

Yes. But only one unit in the army can be understrength.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Sun Jul 02 2017, 22:25

Keep in mind that in your example, one model must be the Solorite, who, to the best of my knowledge, can't take a heavy weapon.

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Sun Jul 02 2017, 22:30

Sweet. I guess I'm not paying for that one benched incubi after all.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Sun Jul 02 2017, 22:31

I dont see anything that requires you to pick a solarite over any other unit member.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Sun Jul 02 2017, 22:55

Wooh!

Absoloute model freedom has been achieved!

There are now no Tax Choices!

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Sun Jul 02 2017, 23:12

Only one unit though
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Sun Jul 02 2017, 23:20

Hoh. That makes running 9 wyches/bloodbrides with a succubus at lower points very tempting

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 00:09

@Barrywise wrote:
Hoh. That makes running 9 wyches/bloodbrides with a succubus at lower points very tempting

This was already allowed, this it's not an understrenght unit.

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 00:15

I'm gonna abuse the hell out of this.

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 00:41

So, like Blast Archon + Blasterborn in a Venom?

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 01:20

@Gherma wrote:
@Barrywise wrote:
Hoh. That makes running 9 wyches/bloodbrides with a succubus at lower points very tempting

This was already allowed, this it's not an understrenght unit.

Ah! thank you, I misunderstood. I thought we would be able to "counts as 10" for the unit and thus bring 3 special weapons.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 01:31

Out of curiosity, how are you going to abuse it TeenageAngst? You can only do it once for your entire army.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 02:43

You can do it once per unit type per army. I can run 2 HQs, a single wych, a single warrior, and a single wrack and have a full battalion detachment. For MSU purposes there's virtually no reason not to include a single model unit of just about every multi-model unit in the army if you're trying to maximize command points. Further this translates into things like a single guardian, a single storm guardian, and a single ranger if you want the 9 command point detachment.

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 02:53

didn't see this thread and created one of my own. I foresaw that @TeenageAngst would abuse it.

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 03:09

Of course I am. The only fun I can have with this game now is seeing how hideously I can abuse the rules. This errata just made this even worse.

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 03:10

Going the way he is proposing is almost certainly going to be banned from most events - ITC and adepticon certainly as well as every major in the world.

It's meant for beginner players - not to abuse

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 03:10

@TeenageAngst wrote:
You can do it once per unit type per army. I can run 2 HQs, a single wych, a single warrior, and a single wrack and have a full battalion detachment. For MSU purposes there's virtually no reason not to include a single model unit of just about every multi-model unit in the army if you're trying to maximize command points. Further this translates into things like a single guardian, a single storm guardian, and a single ranger if you want the 9 command point detachment.

Wouldn't that be 3 undersized units in one army? I won't have the book handy for a bit.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 03:17

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Wouldn't that be 3 undersized units in one army? I won't have the book handy for a bit.

It's one per unit type per army. So you can only have one small unit of warriors, one small unit of incubi, etc.

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Going the way he is proposing is almost certainly going to be banned from most events - ITC and adepticon certainly as well as every major in the world.

It's meant for beginner players - not to abuse

God, I just said this is literally the last thing I have fun with in the game and you can't even let me have THAT. They'll ban it when/if they want to, until then at least let me dream that there's something enjoyable left in my hobby.

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 03:28

They have every option to errata this, or just have a model tax ( pay for what you don't have) and this will go away. It is a very easy issue to solve. If they choose it to, and it is a choice because they can errata it, then teen is well within the game to do it.

In a large tournie you have to expect WAAC lists. I know guard will do it with their conscripts, so why not let teen do it, they will tweak the rules to make it better balanced and life will go on.  Better he does it and get good coverage and then be fixed than every man and his dog destroys local games it never gets fixed

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 05:18

@TeenageAngst wrote:
God, I just said this is literally the last thing I have fun with in the game and you can't even let me have THAT. They'll ban it when/if they want to, until then at least let me dream that there's something enjoyable left in my hobby.

Based on the discussions I have seen within the ITC organisers groups I am part of - don't hold out hopes for it to be part of regular events

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 05:32

@Massaen I really don't care. Let me have my fun while I can.

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 05:36

Fair enough dude - you enjoy your games how you like

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 05:39

Under strength units are only allowed if you don't own the models as well. So that is a thing as well.

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ - Understrength Units   Mon Jul 03 2017, 06:13

@TeenageAngst wrote:
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Wouldn't that be 3 undersized units in one army? I won't have the book handy for a bit.

It's one per unit type per army. So you can only have one small unit of warriors, one small unit of incubi, etc.


I see, thanks!
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