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PostSubject: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Fri Jun 30 2017, 21:37

I've made an adapter to turn those 24mm bases into std 40's. STL will be uploaded to thingiverse when I get home, feel free to tweak as needed Smile

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Fri Jun 30 2017, 22:42

God bless you sir.

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sat Jul 01 2017, 00:24

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sat Jul 01 2017, 12:59

I'm new to the forum, and those crows look pretty awesome. I see the Zombicide crows box contains 12 models, are those all crows?
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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sat Jul 01 2017, 14:13

15 based units of 6 birds per base (its the same birds just copied 15x) so even better, 2 boxes gives you 30 bases of birds

And yes those are crows from Zombiecide

I used my own bases, but now i want to do what @ncshooter426 did for the other 24 i have lol.


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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sat Jul 01 2017, 15:24

Added a lipped version to be more like GW style.

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sat Jul 01 2017, 15:42

@amishprn86

Fantastic, thanks for the info. My Archon is about to go falconing.
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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sat Jul 01 2017, 15:46

lol np, When my Tantalus comes in (they said it will take an extra couple weeks last week Evil or Very Mad )

I was going to play 30 Flocks, 30 Khymerae's and 9 Flaw Fiends with my Archon, Succubus inside my Tantalus as my 1st test with a couple Corsair DL bikes all as Ynnari >Smile

MSU Spam with LD9 beast ftw!

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sat Jul 01 2017, 17:25

@amishprn86 wrote:
lol np, When my Tantalus comes in (they said it will take an extra couple weeks last week Evil or Very Mad )

I was going to play 30 Flocks, 30 Khymerae's and 9 Flaw Fiends with my Archon, Succubus inside my Tantalus as my 1st test with a couple Corsair DL bikes all as Ynnari >Smile

MSU Spam with LD9 beast ftw!

Make the Succubus the warlord and give her the +2 Ld drug for LD10 beasts.
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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sat Jul 01 2017, 17:56

Yeah i most likely will do that, i wanted to convert a succubus to look more like a beast keeper/safarian

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sat Jul 01 2017, 18:09

@amishprn86

That's surprisingly close to the list I had in mind. I also just ordered a Tantalus after the index came out--I've wanted one for years and they finally made it worth taking. The theme is it's the Archon's personal hunting party, with him on his pleasure barge leading his menagerie of flying playthings including Razorwing flocks, flyers, skimmers, and Hellions. No boots on the ground at all, kind of like the old Kabalite Stormsurge formation.
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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Tue Jul 04 2017, 12:52

I don't have a 3D printer but thanks in the name of DE community.

Let the crow spam begin Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Tue Jul 04 2017, 18:47

I'm painting mine like tropical birds, a different color for every squad.

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Tue Jul 04 2017, 18:52

@TeenageAngst wrote:
I'm painting mine like tropical birds, a different color for every squad.

Thats what im doing too, i painted 10 black so far, working on my Brown ones now (well after my Claw Fiends are finished).

I was only going to do like 5 colors tho.

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Tue Jul 04 2017, 18:52

Neat.

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Tue Jul 04 2017, 20:57

Kabal of the ninth raptex from path of the renegade fits that fluff beautifully! The archon had an obsession with birds

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Tue Jul 04 2017, 21:23

orly? hmm.... i guess i need to make a special Archon for that.

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Tue Jul 04 2017, 22:07

I just learned about this > http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Helspider

I have Goblin Spider Riders..... i'll start to convert them tonight and use them as my Khymerae's!

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Tue Jul 04 2017, 22:14

@amishprn86 wrote:
I just learned about this > http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Helspider

I have Goblin Spider Riders..... i'll start to convert them tonight and use them as my Khymerae's!

Damn!
I once owned a goblin army. Where do I put that? Oh god, I hope I didn´t sell it off cheap or lost it last time I moved. Must check my cellar storage soon!

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sun Jul 09 2017, 05:07

Side question, I've only ever fielded about 5-6 of these at a time and they do ok, but not spectacular. Am I missing something just running them with a beastmaster or so I simply need moar birds?
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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sun Jul 09 2017, 06:24

@Duke Swajius wrote:
Side question, I've only ever fielded about 5-6 of these at a time and they do ok, but not spectacular. Am I missing something just running them with a beastmaster or so I simply need moar birds?

So the magic sauce with the Razorwing Flock list is it exploits 3 of the fundamental issues with 8th edition's core rules. These are:

- Everything is capable of wounding everything else.

- Weak unit point balance caps where their effectiveness flatlines.

- There is nothing in the game to punish large numbers of tightly packed, weak units.

The first point is exploited because the Razorwing Flocks, in spite of being S2, are able to wound a Space Marine with equal effectiveness as a Knight Titan. Because their damage ceiling is so low, this means they are equally effective against virtually every single unit in the game. This ties in with the second point, which is that they are balanced around wounding a Space Marine on a 6. Thus they have a lot of attacks, can reroll to hit with a Beastmaster, and have various other benefits such as high wound counts with no saves to help them kill and survive combat with that hypothetical Space Marine without raw Strength or Toughness on their side. The issue is this helps them kill everything else equally well. The third point is mostly that the game has seen the removal of Instant Death, Blasts, Templates, Rampage, etc. Rules that players could use to counter tactics like this no longer exist or are not nearly as functional as they once were. The result is that weaker units balanced around being weak are inadvertently extremely powerful in large numbers.

Basically, when this baby hits 88 birds per list, you're going to see some serious ****.

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sun Jul 09 2017, 13:04

Yep, basically.

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sun Jul 09 2017, 18:36

How much of a 2000pt list is a minimum effective flock?
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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sun Jul 09 2017, 19:04

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How much of a 2000pt list is a minimum effective flock?
On paper, keeping in mind all of my calculations are theoretical, I'm planning on bringing two flocks of 12 and a Beastmaster. 224 points for all of it.

With that, you get 99 Wounds, 25 models, and three drops.
For the cost, you're getting an impressive damage output.

24 Birds -> 192 Attacks -> 64 Hits -> 106.67 Hits after Reroll -> 18.13 Wounds against anything T4 or Greater. 35.20 Wounds against T3.

Further, that's 5.98 Unsaved against ANYTHING at least T4 with a 3+. So enough to degrade your average vehicle, wipe out a Tac Squad, or put some serious hurt on a Wraithknight.

Against Guardsmen, the Birds can kill 23.23, arguably the most effective horde killing tool we have at our disposal.

Birds are, unequivocally, one of the most versatile killers we have in our arsenal, and between their impressive damage output, high mobility, cost, and just a blasted difficult number of wounds, I'd say they're one of the strongest units in our codex at the moment.

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PostSubject: Re: For those using Zombicide Crows (and a 3D printer)   Sun Jul 09 2017, 20:42

I still remember the first day when the index was leaked and people thought the birds where horrible XD

And now they consider it the most broken thing in our list Razz
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