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PostSubject: Urien Rakarth   Tue Jun 20 2017, 13:21

Hi All

Sorry if this has already been covered.

Urien Rakarth gives a buff to Prophets of Flesh units within 6" but who else has this keyword? Does this mean he doesn't give a buff to units like Wracks? Also if somehow he did give a buff to Wracks could a Heamy also give a further buff? So +1T from each HQ?
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PostSubject: Re: Urien Rakarth   Tue Jun 20 2017, 13:30

The Prophets of flesh are urien's coven. So if your wracks have the same haemonoculous coven as him then they get his benefit. In the same way as a regular haemi delivers his bonus.

With the double stacking, no because they have the same ability name so they override each other
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PostSubject: Re: Urien Rakarth   Tue Jun 20 2017, 13:54

Urien only buffs coven units declared to be "Prophets of Flesh". Now atm that's not a problem as you can just declare your coven units to be from "Prophets of Flesh".

If you look at the necron HQs Nemesor (Sautekh) and Trazyn (Nihilakh), both got the same rule, but only buff the units that is declared be either from the Suatekh or Nihilakh dynasty.

Ofc naming your coven "Prophets of Flesh" might conflict, if you insists your coven units are "Prophets of Hide", but currently, as there aren't any other coven specific units, its probably just a taste of what's to come.
That means we can look forward to more named characters in the future, with their own kabal buffs.

Lelith got the same "rule" btw. Her buff only works on "Cult of Strife".
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PostSubject: Re: Urien Rakarth   Tue Jun 20 2017, 14:49

Right ok so that makes sense...but was this written in the rules as such? Because I couldn't find anything so that's pretty poor from GW.

I did see the part about naming your Kabals/Cults/Covens...but I don't remember that section talking about Lelith or Rakarth which wouldn't have taken much effort.
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PostSubject: Re: Urien Rakarth   Tue Jun 20 2017, 15:29

It is written in the rules. Look up keywords in the core rule index. It was further specified in the faq, so that you can't name an astra militarum detachment prophets of flesh to gain the same benefits.
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PostSubject: Re: Urien Rakarth   Tue Jun 20 2017, 15:39

But this assumes a lot of knowledge of those characters. No were is it mentioned that prophets of the flesh are a Coven unit?
If I made some stupid assumption that Prophets of the flesh is a wych cult. I make a my wych cult prophets of the flesh. This of course is not legal since the Q&A but there is nothing actually specifying this. Or am I wrong here?

Considering a newb he just goes, ow this guy is cool. And he buffs prophets, of the flesh.
Those wyches show a lot of skin, I will make them prophets of the flesh to, since it mentions I can name them something and prophets of the flesh are as likely to be a wych cult as a coven unit.
Now cult of strife at least has the cult word in there to give you a hint.
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PostSubject: Re: Urien Rakarth   Tue Jun 20 2017, 15:48

Prophets of flesh is a coven faction. It is implied if you see the other keywords of urien. The keyword system begins vague like : aeldari- and then specifies further, like drukhari to coven to coven subfaction (prophets of flesh).
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PostSubject: Re: Urien Rakarth   Wed Jun 21 2017, 08:46

No if that would be the case it would be great and clear. But urien does not have the Coven keyword. just a subfaction (prophets of flesh) is it mentioned anywere that prophets of the flesh is a heamuncolus coven?
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PostSubject: Re: Urien Rakarth   Wed Jun 21 2017, 09:18

Actually, thats an interesting point.

Lilith's rules specifically says "WYCH CULT of Strife".

Nowehere in Rakarth's rules does it say that Prophets Of Flesh is a Haemonculus Coven.
For those of us who have been in the game a while, we know it is. But to a new player, theres absolutely no indication.....

I guess common sense has to come in at some point, because WE know that in narrative terms PoF is a Coven.
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PostSubject: Re: Urien Rakarth   Wed Jun 21 2017, 12:18

I just feel like when it comes to rules like this it needs to be implicit and it isn't. The rules are written in a way that requires a good understanding of keywords and unit history etc which it shouldn't.

First of all why do we need to name the Coven a specific name (Prophets of Flesh)? Why couldn't it read like the Heamy rules?
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PostSubject: Re: Urien Rakarth   Wed Jun 21 2017, 12:22

@Dark Elf Dave wrote:
First of all why do we need to name the Coven a specific name (Prophets of Flesh)?  Why couldn't it read like the Heamy rules?

GW seem to be moving away from their previous idea of using whatever models you want and now seem to want to stick 100% to their fluff in terms of who is in what army. You cannot take Dante in a Blood Angels successor chapter. You cannot take Imotekh in another Necron Dynasty. You cannot take Urien in a coven other than the one that he belongs to (although it would help if they actually described it as such).

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PostSubject: Re: Urien Rakarth   Wed Jun 21 2017, 12:23

I can see how it makes sense for other Factions, such as Marine Chapters for example. Calgar is a specific Chapter for example, and shouldn't be buffing other Chapters in the same way.
So its probably a case of keeping coherent, even though theres no other named Covens in the rules.
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