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PostSubject: Court of the Archon in 8th   Sun Jun 11 2017, 18:01

What do you chaps think of the new Court?

Sslyth seem far better than the others to me, but I'm curious to hear your opinions.

I find it rather weird that they're all characters, but maybe that's just me.
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Sun Jun 11 2017, 20:25

I plan on getting 2 Sslyths now! I did not so much care for the rest of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Sun Jun 11 2017, 20:27

The good things of them being all characters is that you can create a sort of untargettable unit, which is not bad.

And I agree with you that sslyth seems the only good ones, but they actually seems very good: nice shooting, pretty though, valid in close combat (reroll to hit with the archon) and they can also work as bodyguards for him.

Urguls are overly expensive, Medusas are not anymore good as they were and Lahmias are not as cheap as before, so wyches can probably do the same better.

Anyway the cool fact is that now you can buy just one or two and put it in the same boat with another unit (ex. Wracks or Wyches), to give some extra close combat support.

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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Sun Jun 11 2017, 21:11

As you said, Sslyths are the real winners this edition with their S/T5, 5++ and 2+ Look our Sirs for the Archon.

Medusae still seem like a good choice to me: 4x St4 Ap -4 shots per turn w/ re-rolls if theyre with an Archon is still good. Especially when you considered how few medium AP guns we have (everything is either 0 or -3/-4). Im stll running 2 of them in a venom and they worked well in my first game of 8th v.s white scars.

Ur-ghuls are kind of decent, theyll do the same amount of dmg in CC as a ssylth and more than a Lham v.s MEQs (0.8 wounds for ur-ghuls and sslyth, 0.71 for Lham). Ill likely include one with my Archon and 1-2 Sslyth ball as a sacrificial overwatch unit (5++ will help them survive), but this wont be a priority. That being said, theyll run through GEQs with their 6 attacks on the charge.

Lhams.... now that theyre no longer 10pts each, theyre not looking so good. Theyll excel against high T, multi wound, <3+ armour targets with their 2+ to wound and 6+MW, but besides that they get out classed by the other court members.

So yea, for me, Medusaes are still great and Ssylth are perfect (but expensive) Archon body guards, so theyll get a lot of play. Ur-ghuls will be an "if I have points left over and think I could use some more protection for my Archon", or if a massed GEQ meta develops. Ill only be including Lhams if we see a monstrous creature meta develop.
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Sun Jun 11 2017, 21:39

Do you guys think the re-roll for the medusae from the archon is for the eyeburst too?

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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Sun Jun 11 2017, 21:53

@CptMetal wrote:
Do you guys think the re-roll for the medusae from the archon is for the eyeburst too?

I don't see why not. It doesn't specify that it only works in combat.
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Sun Jun 11 2017, 23:04

@CptMetal wrote:
Do you guys think the re-roll for the medusae from the archon is for the eyeburst too?

Absolutely, the rule states "You can re-roll failed hit rolls with this model while within....", since its the same wording for all of the court models, this even applies to the Ssylths Carbine and the Lhams pistol.

If it was just CC, it would say "failed to hit rolls during the fight phase", like in the succubus's rule set.
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Sun Jun 11 2017, 23:18

Still don't forget that this ability doesn't work while they are on board of a vehicle

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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Sun Jun 11 2017, 23:41

@RoadRageRob666 wrote:

Ur-ghuls are kind of decent, theyll do the same amount of dmg in CC as a ssylth and more than a Lham v.s MEQs (0.8 wounds for ur-ghuls and sslyth, 0.71 for Lham). Ill likely include one with my Archon and 1-2 Sslyth ball as a sacrificial overwatch unit (5++ will help them survive), but this wont be a priority. That being said, theyll run through GEQs with their 6 attacks on the charge.


Correct me if im wrong, but units can shoot overwatch as many times as they are charged until they are locked in CC. So one ur=ghul will probbaly just die anf then theyll still overwatch your other stuff

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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Mon Jun 12 2017, 00:31

@RedRegicide wrote:
Correct me if im wrong, but units can shoot overwatch as many times as they are charged until they are locked in CC. So one ur=ghul will probbaly just die anf then theyll still overwatch your other stuff

Yup, thats how it works, but if youre charging a 5 man Tactical squad with 3x boltguns, 1x Grav-gun, and 1x Combi grav theyll do an average of 0.592 wounds on the Ur-ghul (3W, T3, 5++). So Ur-ghul makes it into combat and Archon+Sslyth+whatever else follow up.

Again, theyre not the best unit in the world, but they do serve a purpose (probably more so than Lhams now, tbh).
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Mon Jun 12 2017, 15:15

How useful are people finding those Mortal Wounds? I can still see the Lhamean finding a place as an assassin type character. Riding up in a venom, and taking the last 1-2 wounds from something big.
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Tue Jun 13 2017, 04:40

So I recently played a game where I used 3 sslyth and an archon.  They were interesting to say the least.  The sslyth performed fairly decently in combat and shooting and ultimately made up their points.  However, since they are all separate characters, I had to roll 4 separate charge rolls just to get into combat.  To boot, assuming the combat had gone on another turn, I would have had to activate them all separately which seems pretty meh.  You get one model's attacks and then your opponent gets the rest of theirs.  Is that the correct way to play them?  It doesn't seem like they all become a single "court of the archon" unit when they are with an archon in a battleforged army.
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Tue Jun 13 2017, 10:21

@fisheyes wrote:
How useful are people finding those Mortal Wounds? I can still see the Lhamean finding a place as an assassin type character. Riding up in a venom, and taking the last 1-2 wounds from something big.

Mortal wounds are great way to kill something big. But 6+ is not so good. Lhamean is not cheap choise either. Mandrakes do the same better.

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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Tue Jun 13 2017, 10:41

@Devilogical wrote:
@fisheyes wrote:
How useful are people finding those Mortal Wounds? I can still see the Lhamean finding a place as an assassin type character. Riding up in a venom, and taking the last 1-2 wounds from something big.

Mortal wounds are great way to kill something big. But 6+ is not so good. Lhamean is not cheap choise either. Mandrakes do the same better.

If only they had 3 attacks....
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Tue Jun 13 2017, 11:34

Yeah they are a bunch of characters.
I would go with a Blaster Archon ( Blaarchon? ), 2 Sslyth and 2 Medusae in a venom. Then use them to pick on targets of opportunity, by maybe disembarking them close to where the most of the fighting is taking place and letting each character lend their fire to what they are best suited to hurt. Just make sure they are screened properly and they should be able to do some work.
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Tue Jun 13 2017, 22:55

I wish they would put the entire court out in plastic instead of fine cast ... But that might not happen unless the sales for the court go way up and they can pay off the fine cast mold and see a reason to buy the plastic mold ...
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Tue Jun 13 2017, 23:33

@Archon_91 wrote:
I wish they would put the entire court out in plastic instead of fine cast ... But that might not happen unless the sales for the court go way up and they can pay off the fine cast mold and see a reason to buy the plastic mold ...


My Sslyths are actually Kabalites mounted on Cold Ones Dark Elves.
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Wed Jun 14 2017, 01:19

@Cerve wrote:
@Archon_91 wrote:
I wish they would put the entire court out in plastic instead of fine cast ... But that might not happen unless the sales for the court go way up and they can pay off the fine cast mold and see a reason to buy the plastic mold ...


My Sslyths are actually Kabalites mounted on Cold Ones Dark Elves.

Thats a neat idea.

I actually like the idea of Getting them tho and using them in Tau sense the work with them time to time XD.

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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Wed Jun 14 2017, 06:21

Any other ideas on sslyth counts as models? I've got two and really like the minis but, it would be nice to pick up some more that aren't the same pose as the others. I've seen where people have used DE buts to spruce them up a bit. I may just go that route.
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Wed Jun 14 2017, 07:40

I just made my Sslyth from an ld dark eldar body with a snake tail sculpted on.
I am not that great with sculpting, but I think the final result looks quite good.
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Wed Jun 14 2017, 08:35

Reaper Minis
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PostSubject: Re: Court of the Archon in 8th   Wed Jun 14 2017, 14:24

If like to point out that these models -Do not- need to be taken in that free force leg slot, you can easily take an archon, at least three of these models as elites, and a venom for a very in expensive command point (less than 200 points with Medusae).
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