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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 14:25

@TeenageAngst wrote:
How many Razorwing Flocks can you fit in 2000 points with some Beastmasters? There's your answer.

Hmmm...Yeah?
My leaked copy is blurry on several pages. Including the Razorwing. I thought they were weak, but tell me more. What is the Attack number for Razorwing. My copy looks like 8 (!!!!!!). So I'm guessing 3.
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 16:27

@4thDimensionWizard wrote:
How about 200 swooping hawks that all arrive by deep strike on turn 1 and fire 800 lasblaster shots? Twisted Evil

EDIT: Nevermind. I'm still trying to get used to this silly issue where models have to pay for their basic equipment on top of their base cost. It's so tedious to figure out how much a unit costs with this format. BLARGH!

It should be noted that you cannot null deploy if you are playing matched play, you have to have at least half the total number of your units on the battlefield.
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 17:01

8 attacks for a razorwing
unit of 12 = 96 attacks

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Fri 9 Jun 2017 - 21:14

@CurstAlchemist wrote:
@4thDimensionWizard wrote:
How about 200 swooping hawks that all arrive by deep strike on turn 1 and fire 800 lasblaster shots? Twisted Evil

EDIT: Nevermind. I'm still trying to get used to this silly issue where models have to pay for their basic equipment on top of their base cost. It's so tedious to figure out how much a unit costs with this format. BLARGH!

It should be noted that you cannot null deploy if you are playing matched play, you have to have at least half the total number of your units on the battlefield.

Oh, really? So it's number of units and not half your points worth? If so, you could take a single 7 point razorflock for each null deploy unit you want to take. You still don't lose unless you have nothing on the table until the end of the game turn, right? Or did they change that also?

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Sat 10 Jun 2017 - 0:18

Matched Play Mission Rules, Tactical Reserves, says: "Instead of being set up on the battlefield during deployment, many units have the ability to be set up in teleportariums, in high orbit, in reserves, ect., in order to arrive on the battlefield mid-game as reinforcements. When setting up your army during Deployment for a matched play game, at least half the total number of units in your army must be set up on the battlefield, even if every unit in your army has an ability that would allow them to be set up elsewhere. Furthermore, in matched play games, any unit that has not arrived on the battlefield by the end of the third battle round counts as having been destroyed."
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Sat 10 Jun 2017 - 8:43

How about this as a way to run Reaver spam? The idea is to take 6 min squads of wyches to absorb the 1 of each drug part, then all remaining drugged up units can pick whatever they like. The Wyches "tax" in this case comes to 318 points, but could be down to 270 points if the units had no upgrades. One Succubus for each two units of Wyches to give them to hit reliability. Total of 7 Command Points.

Battalion Detachment (+3CP)

Succubus /w Agoniser (+1WS/S/A drug as you please)
Succubus (+1WS/S/A drug as you please)

5 Wyches w/ Agoniser & Hydra Guantlets (+1A drug)
5 Wyches w/ Agoniser & Hydra Guantlets (+1S drug)
5 Wyches w/ Agoniser & Hydra Guantlets (+2M drug)
5 Wyches w/ Agoniser & Hydra Guantlets (+1T drug)
5 Wyches w/ Agoniser & Hydra Guantlets (+1WS drug)
5 Wyches w/ Agoniser & Hydra Guantlets (+2LD drug)

3 Reavers w/ Blaster & Grav Talon (+1T drug)
3 Reavers w/ Blaster & Grav Talon (+1T drug)
3 Reavers w/ Blaster & Grav Talon (+1T drug)

Ravager w/ 3 Dark Lances
Ravager w/ 3 Dark Lances
Ravager w/ 3 Dark Lances

Outrider Detachment (+1CP)
Succubus /w Agoniser (+1WS/S/A drug as you please)

3 Reavers w/ Blaster & Grav Talon (+1T drug)
3 Reavers w/ Blaster & Grav Talon (+1T drug)
3 Reavers w/ Blaster & Grav Talon (+1T drug)
3 Reavers w/ Blaster & Grav Talon (+1T drug)
3 Reavers w/ Blaster & Grav Talon (+1T drug)
3 Reavers w/ Blaster & Grav Talon (+1T drug)

This comes to 2000 points on the dot. Ravagers are there for long range fire support. Total of 18 dark light shots. Hopefully the threat of the Reavers and Ravagers would mitigate the lack of transports for the infantry, who can still be advancing 8+D6" each turn, reasonably giving a chance to lock up enemy units in combat by turn two for the Reavers to then pile in and hammer with the grav talons.

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Sat 10 Jun 2017 - 8:55

Also, quick question about the Succubus' aura. I believe I read somewhere that aura buffs apply to the character as well, so in the above list each Succubus is getting four attacks at S5 AP-3 and hitting on 2+ with a re-roll to hit right? By my math that means nearly a 90% chance to hit with all four each time she fights which is not bad.

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Sat 10 Jun 2017 - 17:43

You only need to take 5 units of wyches to cover the 6 drugs, since your reavers would fill the requirement for the 6th drug slot. Just an FYI.

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Sat 10 Jun 2017 - 23:03

Yep you're right.

Even more, these three squads could be dropped as one unit of Reavers already covers the +1T, one Succubus can make use of the +1WS to make the glaive back to 2+ to hit, and another Succubus can take +1S to get the glaive to S6:

5 Wyches w/ Agoniser & Hydra Guantlets (+1T drug)
5 Wyches w/ Agoniser & Hydra Guantlets (+1WS drug)
5 Wyches w/ Agoniser & Hydra Guantlets (+1S drug)

That "saves" 159 points while maintaining the Battalion Detachment requirements. This allows giving an Agoniser to the Succubus currently without one, and then another triple Dark Lance Ravager (without shock prow) to go in the Outrider Detachment.

This nicely allows on Succubus to go with each unit of Wyches and bumps the Dark Light shot count up to 21.

I'm quite tempted to actually try this build, would just need to get one more box of Wyches for a unit of 5 and a couple of Succubus conversions, and one more box of Gangs to get from 21 to 27 Reavers.

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Sun 11 Jun 2017 - 6:46

Just keep in mind its hard to brake something when every one can brake it back. I am starting to believe after a week of list building GW did good job. We will see what cheese is out there but im starting to have a grain of hope!
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Sun 11 Jun 2017 - 16:35

+1 Toughness is not the great drug it used to be... in fact, the drugs you choose will be situational. If you are facing scatter laser spam, the +1 t does nothing, but +1 str will be nice to attack their bikes...

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Mon 12 Jun 2017 - 1:24

+1str is a bit pointless on bikes as their ccw have a set strength. is great for others though
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Mon 12 Jun 2017 - 14:56

Think we are going to need to keep some transports... 10 wyches are great with the weapon upgrades but 10 marines with bolters will shoot them to bits in 1 or 2 rounds of shooting.
10 shoots with bs 3+ and str 4 is about 3-4 wounds. The Ld on wyches is 8 therefore a 16% to 32 % to loss a wych more. I know there is two 6+ saves on them but still.
Plus a raider can "tanke" the overwatch hits. No a bad idea vs flamers if you are a toughness 3 model with a two +6 saves.
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Sun 18 Jun 2017 - 1:50

I'm toying with the idea of a bunch of individual warlocks riding with yvraine with a bunch of individual razorwing flocks supporting to make mad use of Yvraines special ability and Soulburst
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Mon 19 Jun 2017 - 21:07

Not DE but my friend showed me this:

https://i.redd.it/x50c2p4q5m4z.png
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Tue 20 Jun 2017 - 1:17

see now thats not what worries me, death korps of kreig artillery regiments with cheap thudd guns is what i excpect to be scary
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