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PostSubject: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Mon Jun 05 2017, 19:18

I dont mean "I took 2 units of Incubi, I feel dirty!" I mean post a list you are pretty sure are not in the spirit the designers meant.

like this one: 2000 Dark eldar List

2 arcons/blast pistol/ agonizers

12 triple dark lance ravagers (4 w/ shock prows).

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Mon Jun 05 2017, 20:54

Well. those Archons are footslogging? :-D

In all honesty, I would go with dissies on those Ravagers. They wound anything in the game on 5+ and throw many more dice... 108 dissie shots sound better than 36 lances.

How about something with Scourges in Venoms. Or Units of 5 Trueborn and 5 Scourges in 1 Raider.

Or for some 5 incubi with 5 Trueborn or other combo to keep the boat dangerous when you unload the assaulters.
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Mon Jun 05 2017, 20:57

Isnt there a rule forbidding detachment duplicates?

I want to try an army of only wyches and succubi. Blast pistols on as many hekatrix as possible and just bog down everything. for hours.

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Mon Jun 05 2017, 21:16

No. No limit as specificly said at pg. 240 of the rules. I think you will need few units of 3 Reavers for that T1 charge or countercharge. Being in the open just in the boats could be a detriment especially with many cheap units. Which means you will most likely lose initiative.
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Mon Jun 05 2017, 21:39

At 62 points per 5 man squad with upgraded hekatrix, you can field over 20 of them and and get some upgraded succibi as well. As you have only min squads, moraletests wont be a huge problem.

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Mon Jun 05 2017, 22:06

Any reason for just wyches and not other cult units? Succubus gives rerolls to Reavers and Hellions too.

Hellions in Raider can be hilarious too. :-D
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Mon Jun 05 2017, 22:31

There is. For the pure spam of it. I want my opponent to know that I have not come to have a fun and friendly match. I want him to look at 100+ wyches and think: "F#%k you, tentacle guy! I won't be home for dinner!"

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Tue Jun 06 2017, 19:15

and then the guard player giggles with his hand politely over his mouth as he hands you this list:
10x50 conscripts. 1500 pts
6x company commanders 180 pts
10x commissars: bolt pistol. 310
1990pts

each company commander can issue 2 orders a turn like for example first rank fire second rank fire thus giving all 500 conscripts rapid fire 2 lasguns or my favorite: Fix Bayonets allowing them to fight in the shooting phase AND the fight phase ... enjoy
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Tue Jun 06 2017, 22:41

The wych list isn't a list you proclaim to your opponent. You just show up with it and sour up the room. A guy at my local club use a similar list with heretic guard. He has a line of artillery and lasguns in the back within a voidshield, and a carpet of zombies. He uses a shovel to put take them from their box to the table. I hate that list soooooo much.

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Tue Jun 06 2017, 22:46

I just want to run a bombing mission of as many Voidraven bombers as I can in that point range (about 11 I think - 10 with missile pods) and then an archon and a succubus to run around killing stuff o.o
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Tue Jun 06 2017, 23:05

How about running the voidraven list as ynnari and then field the lord of war detachment with the triumvirate? You can get the yncarne right in there after the first bombing run.

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Wed Jun 07 2017, 07:00

Last sunday we had a multiplayer battle (7th imperium vs xenos) two of the guys brought 300 orks. And via some detachment rules formed 1 insane blob unit. Anything that got close died, but by feeding it 1 or 2 units a turn it did not do much (it took up half of the board since but I think it killed 2 guard squads and 1 grey knight squad and 1 squad of space marines). They had such a large coverage they always were in some terrain. So they only moved a few d6 each turn. (the fact that we had something that blocked infiltrate on half the board really helped as well). So many guys start to get in their own way a lot as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Wed Jun 07 2017, 07:20

The worst I have seen is a Nids list that had something in the range of 600 models on the board. With interspersed Synapse.

There Were Not Enough Bullets.

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Wed Jun 07 2017, 08:36

Archon Tentacle Star:

12 Auxiliary Support Detachments.
Negative 9 command points.

Archon w/Splinter Pistol and Power Sword
220 Kabalite warriors with 198 splinter rifles, 19 dark lances and a splinter cannon.
1999 Points.



Because wounds are now allocated by the defender instead of closest model, all your special weapons in each unit will die last. No one but snipers can target your archon, and those that do have to deal with his shadowfield and FNP saves. You can hide him out of LoS to make it virtually impossible to target him. All units will always use the archon's leadership bonus. Because all the warrior squads are so large, having the archon in a central location allows the tentacles to basically cover the entire table to reach out and grab objectives.

No one tentacle is any more important than another. Cut one off, another takes its place. Welcome to hydra.

Points might be off by 5 or so. I had to guess at the price of a power sword due to the incomplete leaks I've seen.

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Wed Jun 07 2017, 09:34

Power Sword is, I believe, 4 points.  Same as an Agoniser, so you could go either way there.

I really like this idea though, flipping hilarious and it might just be enough to scrape out a win.

I also like how the Opening Post detailed a heavily mechanised list with lots of firepower, and when asked for similarly 'broken' things, the forum has basically responded with"ZERG RUSH!

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Thu Jun 08 2017, 14:59

I'm not exactly sure how effective this quick list will be but I just came up with it now.

1000pt Vanguard Detachment

HQ:
Archon with Huskblade + Blast pistol

Elites:
Kabalite Trueborn: 4 blasters and one splinter rifle + PGL
Kabalite Trueborn: 4 blasters and one splinter rifle + PGL
Kabalite Trueborn: 4 blasters and one splinter rifle + PGL
Kabalite Trueborn: 4 blasters and one splinter rifle + PGL
Harlequin Death Jester

Transport:
Venom with Two splinter cannons
Venom with Two splinter cannons
Venom with Two splinter cannons
Venom with Two splinter cannons

I honestly have no idea how well this would perform but it seems pretty cheesy
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Thu Jun 08 2017, 18:28

Ignore this I was not reading what it says but was reading it as every other not each other. Ignore my stupidity...

@Dizlen, you have 1 to many transports. "You may include 1 for each other choice."

You need 2 units (non dedicated transport to take 1 dedicated transport, someone correct me if I'm wrong and you can count dedicated transports as a choice, or if there has been an official statement describing how it was intended to work):
Venom 1: Archon and Kabalite Trueborn
Venom 2: Kabalite Trueborn and Harlequin Death Jester
Venom 3: Kabalite Trueborn and Kabalite Trueborn.
Venom 4: -




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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Thu Jun 08 2017, 20:04

You can take one transport for each unit that isn't a transport ... It's written poorly but the idea was transports don't take up a slot as long as they have something to ride in so in the case "may take one transport for each other unit" means for every transportable unit in the army, each of those units may take a transport
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Thu Jun 08 2017, 20:37

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Thu Jun 08 2017, 20:45

@CurstAlchemist - I believe this is the first time I hear someone interpret it that way and a very odd way it is. I do not think there is even a case there unless you start disputing mandatory units not being choices... Where I believe that by choosing a detachment - therefore the mandatory units one is making a choice of units to include.
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Thu Jun 08 2017, 20:53

It is 100% clear. "You may include one for each other choice."
So if you take the Heavy formation, you may take an archon, 6 ravagers and then take 7 venoms. (6 ravagers and the archon. )
Note that transports dont spawn transports.. hence the word "other"

is it silly you can take a venom as a dedicated transport for a ravager? yup. Is it legal? yup.

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Thu Jun 08 2017, 21:29

How many Razorwing Flocks can you fit in 2000 points with some Beastmasters? There's your answer.

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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Thu Jun 08 2017, 22:40

@aurynn wrote:
@CurstAlchemist - I believe this is the first time I hear someone interpret it that way and a very odd way it is. I do not think there is even a case there unless you start disputing mandatory units not being choices... Where I believe that by choosing a detachment - therefore the mandatory units one is making a choice of units to include.

I was being stupid I changed my post.
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Fri Jun 09 2017, 08:27

Hi guys, im testing 1k point patrol list befor July Patrol turnament in my regio, and i must say that i lose only once with it.

Hq:
Succubus (Agonizer, blast pistol)
Drags: +1 Tho

Elite:
10x Hekatrix bloodbride (3x Hydra Gauntlet, Agonizer blast pistol)
Drags: +1S
+ Raider (Dark Lance)
5x trueborn (4x blaster)
+ Venom (Splinter Cannon, twin-Splinter Riffle)

Troops:
10 Wyches (3x Hydra Gauntlet, Agonizer, Blast Pistol)
Drags: +1A
+ Raider (Dark Lance)
9 Wyches (1x Hydra Gauntlet, Agonizer, Blast Pistol)
Drags: +1WS (or roll D6)
Raider (Dark Lance)

Plan is easy: army is very mobile so i easly do Malestorms. Raider+ Trueborn anti tank heavy invantry. Wych in combat on turn 2 almost always get to target on turn 3 have WS 2+ with Succub nearby they have reroll of 1s. Wyches and Brides make thousends attack (3x gauntlet, 1 agonizer 1 granade, 5x knife LOL) and in shoting (the guy who invent shooting in cc with pistols is my god :p so blast pistols take hard hiters i CC)
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PostSubject: Re: Post your "Broken" 8th edition list here   Fri Jun 09 2017, 10:09

How about 200 swooping hawks that all arrive by deep strike on turn 1 and fire 800 lasblaster shots? Twisted Evil

EDIT: Nevermind. I'm still trying to get used to this silly issue where models have to pay for their basic equipment on top of their base cost. It's so tedious to figure out how much a unit costs with this format. BLARGH!

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