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RoadRageRob666
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PostSubject: Wyches/BloodBrides Statistical Damage Break Down   5/6/2017, 05:00

I did a break down of Wyches/Bloodbrides/Syrens to find out which weapons are best against various targets.

Here it is: http://imgur.com/a/21xxN

Conclusions:

- As expected, Hydra Gauntlets were the best choice against everything for Wyches and Bloodbrides

- Agonizers were generally the best choice for Hekatrix (Wyches) and Syrens (Bloodbrides), except against vehicles, GEQ (was a tie with P.Sword), and if you take the +1S combat drugs.

Ill be doing these for *all* of the CC units in our army, but theyll be sporadic!

All thoughts, questions, concerns, insults and praise are appreciated!
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PostSubject: Re: Wyches/BloodBrides Statistical Damage Break Down   5/6/2017, 05:58

Nice work @RoadRageRob666 !

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PostSubject: Re: Wyches/BloodBrides Statistical Damage Break Down   5/6/2017, 08:24

with my bloodbrides I'm going to give them the +1 WS. that combined with the succubus's aura effect to give them the 2+ re-rollable
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PostSubject: Re: Wyches/BloodBrides Statistical Damage Break Down   5/6/2017, 09:36

Olsol wrote:
with my bloodbrides I'm going to give them the +1 WS. that combined with the succubus's aura effect to give them the 2+ re-rollable

You already get that from PfP though from turn 3. To be honest, none of the combat drugs are bad though. +2 M is going to help getting the charge, +2 Ld helps with battleshock, which could be a thing for us. +1S/T/A will all help too. I think I'd give +1WS to units that I want to charge before turn 3, probably Hellions or Beasts.

@RoadRageRob666 - Thanks for the analysis. I'd already started ripping arms off my Wyches to put Hydra Gauntlets on but useful to know about the Agoniser/Power Sword.

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PostSubject: Re: Wyches/BloodBrides Statistical Damage Break Down   5/6/2017, 13:47

Isn't this the same as 7th then where one weapon was always statistically better than the others in every circumstance? Was it hydra gauntlets in 7th too? Does GW not do these (fairly simple) weapon breakdowns themselves? They seem to have just ported over the same weak rules from 7th and only altered the shardnet/impaler (think it re-rolled 1's to both hit and wound).

Given GW's new philosophy of making everything an option they really have to change these stats in our codex because two of the options (as well as the obviously wrong stats of the stinger pistol) are utterly pointless.

Does hitting on re-rollable 2+ make the shardnet/impaler workable vs 2W units?

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PostSubject: Re: Wyches/BloodBrides Statistical Damage Break Down   6/6/2017, 22:28

This is really interesting...I had assumed +1S would be the best option for Wyches but this suggests +1A?

Can you say the Hydra Gauntlet will always be the best weapon choice? What about against Primaris Marines?

The 3 weapon options we have give us great variety against very different types of targets so I am really pleased with the Wyches rules.
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PostSubject: Re: Wyches/BloodBrides Statistical Damage Break Down   7/6/2017, 06:43

I think some of those calculations must be wrong. I did not do the calculations myself, but a glance at the table showed at least vs the dreadnought the calculations are wrong.
There it says there is no difference between a normal attack and a +1 str attack.
But s3 vs t7 is a 6+ while s4 vs t7 is a 5+ so it cannot be the same.

Same with guard where a 4+ (at str 3) becomes a 3+ (at str 4).
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PostSubject: Re: Wyches/BloodBrides Statistical Damage Break Down   7/6/2017, 08:37

I can see the Hydra Gauntlet being the better choice 9/10 due to the fact Wyches don't have many problems hitting the target, they have only ever struggled to wound.

I did however wonder which would be best against tarpit units that Wyches will wound easier...in this situation is the additional attack and re rolls to hit the better option?

Where wyches are up against a unit that reduces their to hit rolls like Banshees then all of a sudden the additional attack, the additional WS along with the re-rolls to hit seem a better choice.

Then again against multi wound models, will the 2 damage Impaler not be a better choice?
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PostSubject: Re: Wyches/BloodBrides Statistical Damage Break Down   7/6/2017, 09:15

I already have all my Wychs with Hydra Gauntlets and Agonisers! XD

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