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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 05:51

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So if it comes with a Dark Lance do I have to pay 30 points for a Disintegrator or do I pay 10 points by subtracting the 20 for the Dark Lance?

By what they said in facebook and what the datasheet says (May replace DL for DC) im sure that its same cost for both, 95pts for the Raider and the DC or DL

With that said this is GW and they can.... word things poorly so... im not 100% sure.


EDIT: Looking at the GW post, i think we do have to pay for the DL, I cant see Shock Prows costing that much with there rules.

Then I am super confused....why does it say "Minus wargear" under the unit costs then..... Damn you GW!!!! That makes a HUGE difference in the points for a lot of stuff......
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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 05:53


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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 05:55

If we knew the points on the shock prow that would help a lot.....could it really be 1 point? I agree though it seems like its the high points answer regardless.
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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 05:56

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If we knew the points on the shock prow that would help a lot.....could it really be 1 point? I agree though it seems like its the high points answer regardless.

Its the only thing that makes sense.

95+21, 1 item a 20pt gun other a "X" point piece of crap

Shock Prows are just 1 extra attack in CC (abit slight chance to do D3 hits) but i cant see this being costly at all.

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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:01

Men, I believe we have been bamboozled. Well some of us anyway.

A 1500 point list now is like 1000 points in 7e. 2000 points in 8e will be 1500 now.

They promised a 1500 point game would only take about 2 hours but this is because it's only 2/3rds the models now. This is wholesale deception!

They promised it's rules wouldn't be Age of Sigmar. Behold this foul trickery!

They promised they wouldn't blow everything up. Instead they split it in half, blew some of it up, catapulted us 200 years into the future, and changed all the fluff! The knaves!

They promised everything would have a use and be balanced. Look at my precious Warp Spiders and the Riptide! Witchcraft most foul!

I declare shenanigans! Your name is going straight into my book of grudges, Mike Blandt (do elves have books of grudges? They do now). Such duplicity I have not seen since Blizzard announced a stat crunch for WoW. Why in all my years as a dice slinging gamesman I haven't been so disappointed in a new edition since 4e D&D, but at least there I had the redemption of Players Handbook 2 and the beauty that was the Deva Barbarian!

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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:03

Well... the Bomber looks better at least. :/

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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:09

On the side topic first....archons totally have books of grudges....and the revenge is a lot worse than anything a dwarf can come up with.....

At any rate....I will add the disclaimer that I can't say I am happy at the moment and this shift in points both confuses me and terrifies me because CHANGE IS SCARY and this is a lot of change GW!!!!!

That said....I think games will take less time now because every weapon seems insanely powerful with D3s and D6s and mortal wounds flying around and massive combats where units fight twice with fist fulls of dice......so in other words 2500 pt games just means a few more models than a 1850 game previously.....but everything dies a LOT and rolls are simplified with no insane psychic power/warlord trait/etc. nonsense draining on you.....so yes...I guess it is a lot like AoS lol.

I guess we will just have to wait and see. What the "normal" points level settles at will make a big difference I think. I am very sure it will feel like a very different game though no matter what.
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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:11

I don't want a different game tho :< if I wanted that there's cheaper alternatives.

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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:17

So, inferring from this list and the preview... agonisers will be 4 points each?

Hellions 17 points each? WTF?
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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:19

Razorwing 115pts
Dark Lance = 20pts
Disintegrator Cannon = 30pts
Has missiles free

Razorwing cost 135-145

Voidraven 169pts
Dark Scythes = 0pt
Void Lances = 0pts
Has missiles EDIT: 25pts
Has Bomb

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@Creeping Darkness wrote:
So, inferring from this list and the preview... agonisers will be 4 points each?

Hellions 17 points each? WTF?

Hellions are Movement 14 with full Hit and Run

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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:21

Voidraven missiles cost 25pts.

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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:21

Crap missed that.

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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:22

From looking at the points changes on my main army list it seems like virtually everything went up around 40 points with vehicles being the major culprit. (although minus 2 points on my scourges woooo!!!). Time will tell if the shift to toughness and armor saves will make those points changes justified for vehicles.
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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:26

@amishprn86 wrote:


@Creeping Darkness wrote:
So, inferring from this list and the preview... agonisers will be 4 points each?

Hellions 17 points each? WTF?

Hellions are Movement 14 with full Hit and Run

Hellions I think are actually really good for the points and something I really need to buy now. With getting to pick combat drugs you can taylor the unit for your enemy. Want movement 16? Done. Toughness 4? Done. S5? 3 Attacks? Done!
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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:27

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@Creeping Darkness wrote:
So, inferring from this list and the preview... agonisers will be 4 points each?

Hellions 17 points each? WTF?

Hellions are Movement 14 with full Hit and Run

Hellions I think are actually really good for the points and something I really need to buy now. With getting to pick combat drugs you can taylor the unit for your enemy. Want movement 16? Done. Toughness 4? Done. S5? 3 Attacks? Done!

I hope Fly gets DS rules, if so they will be on my 1st to play with list.

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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:29

Fair call, I am actually looking forward to using Hellions again.

Pity about losing Deep Strike though - I'm not hopeful that Fly will grant deep strike, since Scourges explicitly have both Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:31

Are webway portals even a thing anymore?

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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:34

@Creeping Darkness wrote:
Fair call, I am actually looking forward to using Hellions again.

Pity about losing Deep Strike though - I'm not hopeful that Fly will grant deep strike, since Scourges explicitly have both Sad

Your onto something there, so they dont have DSing


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Are webway portals even a thing anymore?

Nothing anywhere says WWP so i'm assume its gone until we get out codex.


GW did say later we each get a codex with more fluff, stratagems and tactics. I'm HOPING index's are the barebones and we havent seen everything.

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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:35

Webway portal strikes me as something we will see come out in a stratagem of some kind when the codex comes out.
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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:38

I need to hit the ABC store before I can handle any more of their new "fluff". That stuff makes me wish paint still contained lead and radium.

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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:48

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Shock prow is 1 point, so we have to pay for weapons. So its looking like its a 155 point ravager for 3 dark lances.
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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:50

Yet we still don`t have Vect and other characters...

That makes me sad

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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:51

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Yet we still don`t have Vect and other characters...

That makes me sad

Because these are hold over lists I didn't expect them to add new characters. But I was hoping, especially with all the hype around Frontline Gaming posts, that everything would be returning to at least 5th edition feel. I didn't think they would double down on the 7th edition code. Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 06:54

@JanusKain wrote:
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Shock prow is 1 point, so we have to pay for weapons.  So its looking like its a 155 point ravager for 3 dark lances.

Yep, that pretty much settles all the points questions. :/ Some crazy low values on combat weapons, and crazy high ranged weapons....it is definitely the age of combat for 8th. Maybe why my Tau were nerfed into the ground.....but I think DE have some good options out of the gate and I do look forward to see what people come up. Can only really get better in the future with codex and such.
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PostSubject: Re: Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks   Wed May 31 2017, 07:07

News from the front lines of /tg/:

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Oh **** blue shirt in glasgow says hes quitting apparently.

Apparently they never expected this.

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