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PostSubject: 1000 points DE - first list   Sat Apr 15 2017, 13:27

Hi everyone, I'm totally new to Warhammer 40k, and I just wanted some help with my first list ever...so sorry for the stupid things I'll write here

Let's begin with the units I already have:

HQ

Haemunculus w/ flesh gauntlet, scissorhand, stinger pistol and armour of misery - 110 pts

TROOPS

Kabalite Warriors x10 w/ 1 Shredder and Sybarite (Agoniser and blast pistol) - 135 pts

DEDICATED TRANSPORT

Raider w/ Dark Lance, splinter racks and night shields - 90 pts


FAST ATTACK

Scourges x5 - I haven't built them yet, and honestly I don't even know how to equip them


Yeah, that's it
Now, this is my idea for my first casual list:

HQ

Haemunculus w/ flesh gauntlet, scissorhand, stinger pistol and armour of misery 110 pts

TROOPS

Kabalite Warriors x10 w/ 1 Shredder and Sybarite (Agoniser and blast pistol) - 135 pts

Kabalite Warriors x 10 w/ 1 Splinter Cannon and Sybarite (Close combat weapon, haywire grenades, splinter pistol) in a Raider w/ Dark Lance, splinter racks and night shields - 200 pts

ELITES

Wracks x 5 w/ 1 liquifier gun (meant to stay with the haemunculus) - 65 pts

FAST ATTACK

Scourges x5 w/ 4 blasters - 140 pts

Reavers x6 w/ 2 heat lances and 2 cluster caltrops 146 pts

Razorwing Jetfighter w/ 2 necrotoxin missiles and 2 monoscythe missiles and nightshields - 155 pts

951/1000 points...should I add another unit of reavers?


I think i'm going to play principally against Orks, Skitarii and Space Marines.

Sorry for the length of this post and also for my veeery bad English




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PostSubject: Re: 1000 points DE - first list   Sat Apr 15 2017, 20:18

Scourges, 3 Weapons to equip them with, all Anti-Armour:
1. Go Haywire Blasters,cheaper than actual Blasters and slightly better against vehicles (crap against infantry)
2. regular Blasters, most expensive option but decent range and good against TEQ as well as vehicles
3. Heatlances - will obliterate any vehicle you get in 9" of (and still good vs TEQ), but will die to return fire (unless you're lucky)

Kabalite Warriors:
Shredders are bad. stick with regular splinter rifles if you're running them on a raider with splinterracks.
Sybarites are crap as well, your kabalites aren't meant to be in melee and a sybarite even with agonizer is not enough to stop enemies from charging them if given the chance.
Blasters are the best option, even a single one is threat to all kind of AV except super-heavies.

listwise, reavers, jetfighter, and scourges look good in their configuration, kabalites and haemonculus have too much bling, and there are better options for bodyguards than wracks (grotesques or incubi). HQ and bodyguard need to be in a transport if they want to survive. Calculations on Razorwing Jetfighter are off btw, in your setup he's 145 pts.

Reconfiguring your list:

HQ

Haemonculus, Scissorhand 80 pts

Troops

10 Kabalites, Raider with Splinterracks 150 pts

10 Kabalites, Raider with Splinterracks 150 pts

Fast Attack

5 Scourges, 4 Blasters 140 pts

6 Reavers, 2 Caltrops, 2 Heatlances 146 pts

Razorwing Jetfighter, 2 necrotoxin missiles, 2 monoscythe missiles, splintercannon 140 pts

Elite

2 Grotesques, 1 Aberration with Scissorhands, Raider 180


Total 986 pts.

leaves you with a bit of sparepoints for... dark lances on raiders for example. or a minor piece of equipment for your Haemonculus.

P.S.: Grotesque miniatures aren't the best, to put it mildly. better to grab an Age of Sigmar Crypt Flayers/River Trolls/Stormfiends kit to convert them into grotesques (and maybe a talos/cronos kit for Dark Eldar to use the bits to modify your monsters)

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PostSubject: Re: 1000 points DE - first list   Sun Apr 16 2017, 01:22

WOW
thanks a lot, really
Sooo, do you think it's a good idea to buy Gangs of Commoragh for its 6 "free" reavers?

And also... can't I equip the Jetfighter w/ nightshields? They should cost 15 points, so weren't my calculations correct?
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 points DE - first list   Sun Apr 16 2017, 11:09

Your calculation was off because Razorwing is base at 130 pts. Unless you did not mention another upgrade. And yes, you can equip Nightshields on a Razorwing (and at higher pointgames i would recommend doing so because it is virtually guaranteed the enemy will have flyers or skyfire), just at 1000 pts it may not be the best use of 15 pts.

Gangs of Commoragh i have no experience with, i have however seen other people recommend it due to  it being a very good price for the value you get.
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 points DE - first list   Sun Apr 16 2017, 13:36

Gangs of commoragh is phenomenal when it comes to getting your Reavers. In England it's 48 pounds for 6 Reavers or 35 for 6 and 10 hellions (which i will use as beast masters and conversions)

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PostSubject: Re: 1000 points DE - first list   Sun Apr 16 2017, 17:43

Aaand thanks again guys
But I have another question: isn't equipping the kabalites with a splinter cannon useful, since the raiders have splinter racks...and so more shots will hit? (or at least that's what I think, I don't know the rules THAT well)
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 points DE - first list   Sun Apr 16 2017, 19:06

True but it means you want to get within 18 to fire it as it's Salvo. Meaning for those extra 4 shots your getting pretty close to change range. And not taking the Splinter cannons gives more points to spend. I normally just take venoms but if I was taking boats and Raiders I would use Splinter cannons bit only in games above 1k

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PostSubject: Re: 1000 points DE - first list   Sun Apr 16 2017, 20:19

Oh ok thanks

However, now I'm assembling the Scourges and OH GOD, why is there only one blaster in that box? Luckily I've managed to steal a blaster from the Kabalites' box, but...where can I find the remaining blasters? (even the infamous bits sites don't have them Sad )
I think I'll just buy more Kabalites and take weapons from their set
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 points DE - first list   Sun Apr 16 2017, 20:24

Luckily I went haywire and the bits shops have those in. Reavers come with blasters you can use. 2 in the gangs of commoragh box.

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PostSubject: Re: 1000 points DE - first list   Sun Apr 16 2017, 20:26

Oh well, problem solved

Thanks AGAIN and sorry if I went OT
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 points DE - first list   Tue Apr 18 2017, 06:25

With the blasters you can do a pretty easy conversion with shredders/blast pistols to make them look almost exactly like regular blasters. You just cut off the barrel of shredder and blast pistol and glue blast pistol barrel to the body of the shredder.

Doesn't really help with Scourge boxes but if you get more kabalites.
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PostSubject: Re: 1000 points DE - first list   Wed Apr 19 2017, 13:33

thank you anyway, really useful tip
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