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Jaboigan
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PostSubject: is this considered a cheese list?   Fri Feb 17 2017, 12:31

So this is a list i took for a game just as i love the models and want to have a nice close combat unit in a game.
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Archon - husk/pistol/shadow field/soul trap
Succubus - Glaive/pistol/armour of misery

5 Warrior in venom with 1 blaster
5 Warrior in venom with 1 blaster

3 reavers with 1 heatlance

Ravager with lances

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Inriams Spectre
Shadowseer lvl 2 mask of secrets
8 troupe 1 master all with caress's

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Jester standard
Shadowseer lvl 2
Solitaire standard

then i add in the 3 new characters from Triumvirate of Ynnead


the obvious tactic is cast of players be joined by archon/succubus & the 2 from Triumvirate and just foot slog it across destroy anything they hit in combat with the harlequin primas power to try head off the shooting they attract. If i get lucky on santic for +1 inv great if not i not worried

Now i have changed the list due to new characters but otherwise i max out the cast of players and have harlequin jetbikes zooming around with more ravagers/venoms etc

I dont see how this is a cheese list as it has 1 combat power house unit which has a great save of 5++ till i get to characters but all i hear from people at my club is omg that is so cheesy.
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Fri Feb 17 2017, 22:25

Cheese is relative but there's nothing in here that anyone who knows what they're doing shouldn't be able to handle it. It's actually a rather toned down clownstar. The fact it's all one big unit in an army of 2000 points means your entire wad is loaded in one single combat unit. An MSU list should be able to walk all over this on any objective based game. Furthermore a single unit of d-scythes or hell, just GK flamers should be able to nuke the whole pack.

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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Fri Feb 17 2017, 23:36

Not cheese at all. In fact I'd call it pretty bad and highly unoptimized. Have a Good time learning, because yo'ren't going to be rolling over anybody competent with that list. Don't expect you're game to go beyond turn 3 tho.
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sat Feb 18 2017, 01:58

I like the list but i think you should add a webway portal and just show up right at their front door with your deathstar.

Funnily enough i'm attemping to create a similar list of my own you should check out my thread.
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sat Feb 18 2017, 03:05

Its kinda bad dude...

Feel free to play. I would not get upset Razz
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sat Feb 18 2017, 03:44

As an aside, if someone complains about cheese, your goal should be to bring even more cheese next week, and then your previous list won't seem so bad.

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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sat Feb 18 2017, 03:45

Agreed. Everyone complains about how proper min-maxing leads to an arms race mentality that "ruins the game" but the fact of the matter is if optimization ruins your community any skill growth would have done the same.
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sat Feb 18 2017, 05:18

@amorrowlyday wrote:
Agreed. Everyone complains about how proper min-maxing leads to an arms race mentality that "ruins the game" but the fact of the matter is if optimization ruins your community any skill growth would have done the same.

Seconded.

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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sun Feb 19 2017, 10:26

O i know this list is crap compared to a full gunboat list but it just the models i love and it seems all players up my club have a problem with this list
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sun Feb 19 2017, 16:15

@Jaboigan wrote:
O i know this list is crap compared to a full gunboat list but it just the models i love and it seems all players up my club have a problem with this list

What kind of problem do they have with it? What do they say?

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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sun Feb 19 2017, 20:28

They seem to be under the illusion that this list is a uber cheese list......they even think it is a deathstar
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sun Feb 19 2017, 20:55

Your community is bad at this game.
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sun Feb 19 2017, 21:24

I play in a super-conservative, super-casual community, and even they wouldn't call this cheese.

That being said, the first time Freakshow style Ld shenanigans get used on some people, it can be a bit of a paradigm shock, since it isn't a standard strategy that most people are familiar with. That can lead to some accusations of cheese.

Shrug it off and keep going. Or bow to them and play whatever they think is casual. Whichever option is most preferable to you.
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sun Feb 19 2017, 21:35

@Jaboigan wrote:
They seem to be under the illusion that this list is a uber cheese list......they even think it is a deathstar

Your friends would think I was the Darth Vader of cheese. I would have no friends if I had your friends. They'd call me Darth Paradox.

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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sun Feb 19 2017, 22:13

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Shrug it off and keep going. Or bow to them and play whatever they think is casual. Whichever option is most preferable to you.

Option C, take the gloves off, table them so hard they're left baffled and confused. Redefine their classification of cheese.

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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sun Feb 19 2017, 22:15

Agreed. Mind posting your whole collection? On principle I'll help you make something broken that isn't in anyway a mere netlist.
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sun Feb 19 2017, 22:25

@Amorrowlyday, you need an avatar.

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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Sun Feb 19 2017, 22:40

Very Happy He has one. It's a mandrake.
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Mon Feb 20 2017, 01:29

I rather enjoy the anonymity that lack of portrait affords me: Folks who have no business disputing my assertions do so because I look like any other scrub new arrival, but since I'm breaking out my camera to demo size differences in grotesques for someone on here I'll throw something up.
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Mon Feb 20 2017, 01:57

Shocked

It's something. I don't know what it is, but it's something. Wink

Is it scales? Like the sign for a libra or something?

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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Mon Feb 20 2017, 01:59

It's a rose quartz pendant with a set of scales for libra inscribed in it yes.
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Mon Feb 20 2017, 02:18

I think half the forum has avatars that could be described as "dude holding a sword" so kudos for picking something unique.

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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Mon Feb 20 2017, 02:55

@TeenageAngst wrote:
I think half the forum has avatars that could be described as "dude holding a sword" so kudos for picking something unique.

Bah, my "dude holding a sword" is also the real life originator of the quote that spawned my username(that I've had for 15+ years online). So my seemingly unoriginal theme has complexity and historical context. Wink

It'd be like if your name was "CarryABigStick", and you had an avatar of Teddy Roosevelt carrying his winchester rifle.



But I suppose, despite the historical significance and matching with one's name, he could still accurately be referred to as "a dude with a gun". Razz

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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Mon Feb 20 2017, 03:01

I don't want my avatar, but my standard picture of Jasper Stone won't fit on TDC avatar sizes.
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PostSubject: Re: is this considered a cheese list?   Mon Feb 20 2017, 03:06

I suppose I should have something that accurately describes my username instead of just Sonic Cake Face.

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