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PostSubject: Re: Grand Alliance Aeldari Freakshow   Sat Feb 18 2017, 04:51

@amorrowlyday wrote:
That's because it's the newest one: Fracture of Biel-tan.

Indeed.

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@Jimsolo wrote:
Mirror of Minds with a -5 or better Ld modifier is marvelous.  You get to watch someone's face as they realize that there is literally nothing on Earth that can prevent their MC (or, sweet Vect I pray I see it someday--a GMC) from dying screaming.

There are some other Ld negatives that are possible to get, too.  A Warlock Conclave can get Horrify (-3 Ld), whichever psyker you brought for Psychic Shriek can get Terrify (-1), each of your Covens formations is still -1 of course, and you can bring Hemlock Wraithfighters for a -2 on most Ld tests.  

I'm kind of hemming and hawing waiting for an FAQ for FoBT, but if we get one soonishly I'll try to start work on a new Freakshow article.

FoBT? Not familiar with that acronym.

Also, I think you might be missing one other element of why mirror of minds is so good. It's a focussed witchfire power, which means you pick the target model in a unit if you roll more successes than necessary. This means you can single out your opponent's warlord as "your target", and while they can "look out, sir!" individual wounds from the warlord to other models, that doesn't chance who "your target" is, which means that if they use "look out, sir!", you kill his other model and STILL continue to keep rolling against "your target's" leadership. When you get enough of a leadership modifier against your opponent to make it impossible for them to win, this basically means that they can't use "look out, sir!" without their entire unit, including the warlord dying. Essentially, if you make it impossible for them to win the contested leadership roll, mirror of minds will auto-kill any model in the game(even if they have 2++ rerollable) when cast on warp charge 3+.

Indeed, that is true. (And I've brought that up before, I think. Very Happy )

I tend to think of Mirror of Minds as an MC/GMC killer, since that's how it tends to get used by me most of the time. In most units, against a target with only one or two wounds, I usually find I have things that are more efficient uses of my psychic dice (since you have to spend 7 or so psychic dice to reliably get the 3 WC you need to pick a target out of a unit. Against single model units, the bonus warp charge isn't necessary, so you save psychic dice.

Still, you are correct: it's a great way to snipe a model out of a unit, and potentially cause some ancillary casualties along the way! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Alliance Aeldari Freakshow   Sat Feb 18 2017, 06:10

Primarily, my thought was that it's a great ability to kill crucial models to the functioning of a death star. For instance, whatever model is giving a unit rerolls to saves, or FnP or whatever. It can be a very valuable tool to break deathstars.

This is particularly valuable information in an age where primarchs are being introduced back into normal 40k. Imagine the induced anger of someone losing a primarch with no rolls allowed while it was in the middle of a big beefy unit of storm shield terminators.

If you make a shadowseer your warlord in a Reborn Warhost detachment, you have a chance to get a warlord ability that allows you to pick your powers, and you can reroll on that warlord trait chart. So you end up having about 54% chance of getting it with a ML2 shadowseer every game if you use both rolls on phantasmancy.

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PostSubject: Re: Grand Alliance Aeldari Freakshow   Sat Feb 18 2017, 07:51

I will need to remember that about mirror of minds.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Alliance Aeldari Freakshow   Sat Feb 18 2017, 08:29

I have had just 1 instance of this power at -5LD... took me half an hour to convince the opponent that despite having a 3++ rerollable save - he would still be slain eventually. I literally had to start rolling it for him to click!

Its even worse when its only -4 and you HAVE to roll it out...

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PostSubject: Re: Grand Alliance Aeldari Freakshow   Sat Feb 18 2017, 14:10

I've only had it go off once as well (although I've had a couple opponents scrambling in fear of it after that). Took out a brand new Bloodthirster in it's inaugural game. My opponent was quite salty.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Alliance Aeldari Freakshow   Sun Feb 19 2017, 20:54

Can they even LOS a focused witch-fire, every other instance of precision strikes in the rules have the disclaimer that the target still can LOS. focused witch-fire doesn't have that provision, all it says is

"If the total number of Warp Charge points harnessed exceeds the Warp Charge cost required to manifest the psychic power, the power is resolved against the model you chose."

There is nothing in there about LOS, also if you could LOS then the power was not resolved against the model I chose.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Alliance Aeldari Freakshow   Sun Feb 19 2017, 21:21

It was resolved against the model you chose. Unfortunately, if the model you chose has the Character subtype, then part of that resolution includes the possibility of LOS! rolls.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Alliance Aeldari Freakshow   Mon Feb 20 2017, 00:10

not trying to be dense but where does it say that under focused witchfire. Now I agree that regular witchfire powers can be LOS because they are shooting attacks, and if the character or IC are closest they can look out sir them, however like I said before any other instance of choosing a model in a unit to resolve wound allocation ie: Sniper, Precision are the ones that come to mind they have this text.

"A character that has a Precision Shot Wound allocated to it can still make a Look Out, Sir roll."

This does not exist in the Focused Witchfire rules.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Alliance Aeldari Freakshow   Mon Feb 20 2017, 00:42

@Dalamar wrote:
not trying to be dense but where does it say that under focused witchfire.  Now I agree that regular witchfire powers can be LOS because they are shooting attacks, and if the character or IC are closest they can look out sir them, however like I said before any other instance of choosing a model in a unit to resolve wound allocation ie: Sniper, Precision are the ones that come to mind they have this text.

"A character that has a Precision Shot Wound allocated to it can still make a Look Out, Sir roll."

This does not exist in the Focused Witchfire rules.  

It says this:

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Focused Witchfire: They follow all the normal rules for witchfire, but you can choose the specific model in the target unit that you want the power to affect.

That means, as per the normal rules for witchfire, that they are also a shooting attack, and thus follow the normal rules for a shooting attack, except that they get to pick the target model instead of it automatically being resolved against the closest model.

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