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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 02:55

Holy crap! Are Courts of the Archon allowed in Ynnari lists? I didn't see that!
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 02:56

Absolutely! cheapest "allied" Ynnari list with an Yncarne: 365. 2 units of kabalites and a lahmian.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 03:18

99% sure I read them in the list.

Side question. What phase do knights set their ions?

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 03:20

Start of game and top of each opponents shooting phase.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 03:22

So any movement/psychic phase triggers the ability to shoot before they can set their shields.

Particularly useful for DS wraithguard/scourge and the like.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 03:41

Oooh! Brutal.

So here's a question: can you make Ynnari lists that are Unbound? If so, my "I have no friends" army (Hint: it's nothing but single man units of Ur Ghouls) just got WAY more sick.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 03:45

Not sure yet. I've scoured everything and the section we're it elaborates on the faction designation is cut off every where so I'm not even sure if they can have allies or if they can be fielded ioutside of the leaked detachment.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 03:47

I'm thinking Yncarne min detachment, CTC, some trigger units and as many shadowseers I have room for..
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 03:53

I'm definitely thinking about rocking a Deathstar Freakshow. (Freakstar, if you will.)

Seer Council with Shadowseer with the Mask of Secrets plus a DE HQ with a WWP and the Armor of Misery. Teleport in and drop a -4 Ld Psychic Shriek (no scatter) ((potentially -8 if Terrify or Horrify are in play)) sounds like a plan.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 03:56

I'm probably going to do something similar but built around a cast formation with neuro disruptors or caresses. Only reason I didn't before was detachment limits.

On the Wraithbomb aspect, just to be clear, is the idea to drop the wraithguard in their boat within 7 inches of a melee unit, say a tac squad, while still within flamer distance of a Knights facing that does not have an active Ion shield, Psychic Shriek or otherwise murder the aforementioned tac squad with a witchfire, thus triggering the wraithguard to soul burst and flame the knight before it's facing can change? Yeah I think that's totally doable. The rule very explicitly says "as if". You don't actually have a shooting phase in that moment, thus the facing isn't able to change.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 04:19

No need to kill something. The fires of the Phoenix and the other power about pulling souls. Both will trigger it. Though I think they have to be out of the vehicle.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 04:43

Court of the archon is listed under HQ options for Ynnari

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 04:51

So my biggest question is, does a destroyed transport potentially allow the former passengers a Soulburst action?

Vehicles appear to count for Soulburst in general, so I guess it just comes down to the timing of the removal vs the action - if so, boosting a Raider full of Incubi (or whatever) next to some opponent, then using Soulburst to immediately charge if the boat is shot down seems pretty solid?

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 05:21

@The Red King  Don't get me wrong I do agree with you that it doesn't make sense, but consider that a normal Succubus has WS8 and Drazhar has 7...  He's just as skilled as Drazhar that's nothing to sniff at but in my opinion Drazhar should be at least 8 anyway so...

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 05:32

Creeping Darkness wrote:
So my biggest question is, does a destroyed transport potentially allow the former passengers a Soulburst action?

Vehicles appear to count for Soulburst in general, so I guess it just comes down to the timing of the removal vs the action - if so, boosting a Raider full of Incubi (or whatever) next to some opponent, then using Soulburst to immediately charge if the boat is shot down seems pretty solid?


I'm pretty sure that's copacetic.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 05:58

My big question just became: does embarking happen at the end of a movement action or at the end of the phase? Since you can move as if it were the movement phase can you embark since you could in the movement phase?
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 06:40

I'd argue no. Embarking isn't a move, it's a separate thing entirely. It just happens in the same phase.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 07:27

Lol... can you imagine two Ynnari armies against each other? Srsly endless battle...

On a second thought... no... the battle will be decided the moment when one side's WK kills the other WK. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 09:36

Creeping Darkness wrote:
So my biggest question is, does a destroyed transport potentially allow the former passengers a Soulburst action?

Vehicles appear to count for Soulburst in general, so I guess it just comes down to the timing of the removal vs the action - if so, boosting a Raider full of Incubi (or whatever) next to some opponent, then using Soulburst to immediately charge if the boat is shot down seems pretty solid?


The general consensus is no. In order to use the Soulburst Action the unit must be within 7" of the unit that just died when it died. When a unit's in a transport, it basically counts as being off the table entirely unless specifically stated otherwise (like vs Flamers). So, Venom dies, Kabalites pop out, but because the Venom's already dead by the time they pop out, they weren't within 7".

Slightly nonsensical in realism terms, but such is the rules of 40k.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 09:51

Jimsolo wrote:
I'm definitely thinking about rocking a Deathstar Freakshow.  (Freakstar, if you will.)

Seer Council with Shadowseer with the Mask of Secrets plus a DE HQ with a WWP and the Armor of Misery.  Teleport in and drop a -4 Ld Psychic Shriek (no scatter) ((potentially -8 if Terrify or Horrify are in play)) sounds like a plan.  

Throw in the Visarch to make them use their lowest Ld on the Shriek rolls.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 10:44

Question: if a unit of space marines kill a unit with PfD, and a unit uses that to assault those marines. Would the marines get overwatch?

It's probably been answered but I am too lazy to check.
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 11:13

Yes I believe they would. There's a little phrase about units being assaulted via Soulburst still getting to fire Overwatch.

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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 11:29

Will it allow multiple overwatches?

Tau player get charged and kills a unit in overwatch: soulburst unit charges, they fire overwatch again?

Tau player get charged and shoots overwatch with nearby unit: tau die in cc, soulburst unit charges, Tau fire overwatch with half their army again?
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 11:45

Hmm I would've thought it bypass overwatch since overwatch is done in the assault sub phase. Well I guess they have to stop people shouting cheese somehow
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PostSubject: Re: Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"   Thu Feb 09 2017, 11:47

It says something about counting as the assault sub phase and allowing overwatch.
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