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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Fri Jan 27 2017, 19:28

I've just had a look through the BRB for a circumstance like: "What if Incubi rode in a wave serpent?" I had an idea of shoving a more resilient Eldar vehicle up the grill of an opponent which could shrug off a phase of fire more effectively but be just as susceptible to assault.

I got kind of a surprise to see that "passengers disembarking in the enemy phase (due to vehicle explodes or an emergency disembark move) can't assault in their next turn."

So, that's just a bad idea.

I wonder what the buffs could be? Furious charge? Rage? Invlunerable saves?


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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Fri Jan 27 2017, 20:39

@DEfan wrote:
I've just had a look through the BRB for a circumstance like: "What if Incubi rode in a wave serpent?" I had an idea of shoving a more resilient Eldar vehicle up the grill of an opponent which could shrug off a phase of fire more effectively but be just as susceptible to assault.

I got kind of a surprise to see that "passengers disembarking in the enemy phase (due to vehicle explodes or an emergency disembark move) can't assault in their next turn."

So, that's just a bad idea.

I wonder what the buffs could be? Furious charge? Rage? Invlunerable saves?

 
Yeah, putting an assault squad in a vehicle that doesn't have the Assault Vehicle special rule is not a good idea and the Craftworld codex's complete lack of Assault Vehicles is why Banshees and Wraithblades are bad, no reliable delivery mechanism. Ironically the ability to have them start in Raiders again, should they all gain the Ynnari faction, would make them good.
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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Fri Jan 27 2017, 20:42

@Imateria wrote:
@DEfan wrote:
I've just had a look through the BRB for a circumstance like: "What if Incubi rode in a wave serpent?" I had an idea of shoving a more resilient Eldar vehicle up the grill of an opponent which could shrug off a phase of fire more effectively but be just as susceptible to assault.

I got kind of a surprise to see that "passengers disembarking in the enemy phase (due to vehicle explodes or an emergency disembark move) can't assault in their next turn."

So, that's just a bad idea.

I wonder what the buffs could be? Furious charge? Rage? Invlunerable saves?

 
Yeah, putting an assault squad in a vehicle that doesn't have the Assault Vehicle special rule is not a good idea and the Craftworld codex's complete lack of Assault Vehicles is why Banshees and Wraithblades are bad, no reliable delivery mechanism. Ironically the ability to have them start in Raiders again, should they all gain the Ynnari faction, would make them good.

Woah, I never even thought about mix matching if they are the same faction. Might throw some Harliquins in raiders too if the formation allows it.
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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Fri Jan 27 2017, 21:09

Unfortunately I don't think you will. The new FAQs forbid it. You will more then likely be able to buy the transports that go with them but you cant put them in another factions transports.

At least start in the transport. You can start them outside and get on but you can no longer start in other faction transports. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Fri Jan 27 2017, 21:12

If they gain the "Ynnari Faction" they are the same faction so they can share transports.
A bit like KDK which is a mix of CD and CSM but have the same faction.
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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Fri Jan 27 2017, 21:14

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Unfortunately I don't think you will.   The new FAQs forbid it.

Not if this new supplement creates a "Devotees of Ynead" faction, to which all models taken as part of it could be declared. I heard you were going to be able to take pure DE, or CWE lists and declare them to be Ynead army or whatever. To me, this sound like a way for eldar to get around that specific FAQ ruling, but we'll have to see when the book is released.

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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Fri Jan 27 2017, 21:17

@mrmagoo wrote:
Unfortunately I don't think you will.   The new FAQs forbid it.   You will more then likely be able to buy the transports that go with them but you cant put them in another factions transports.

At least start in the transport.  You can start them outside and get on but you can no longer start in other faction transports.  Sad

While this is true if you ally other Eldar, I could imagine that the new Ynnari faction allows all units to take Raiders as dedicated transports. Or maybe we even see some new transports, finally?

Corsairs and Harlies already got our Venoms, I wouldn't want that we give away our Raider as well. Our transports are among the things that make us most unique.

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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Fri Jan 27 2017, 21:48

Youtube upload of the livestream for people who missed it.


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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Fri Jan 27 2017, 22:56

Thanks for posting the link to the youtube post. Was looking for this before and I couldn't find it.

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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Sat Jan 28 2017, 02:15

@mrmagoo wrote:
Unfortunately I don't think you will.   The new FAQs forbid it.   You will more then likely be able to buy the transports that go with them but you cant put them in another factions transports.

At least start in the transport.  You can start them outside and get on but you can no longer start in other faction transports.  Sad
There's actually been a lot of discussion about this regarding the detachments for the Fall of Cadia. They're Force Organisation Charts, like a CAD, that select their units from most of the Imperium of Man codexes, so do they count as Battle Brothers or a single faction? Generally speaking a detachment can't take units from multiple factions and only a select few formations (like the one in Death Masque with Eldrad + Harlequins) combines factions in a single detachment, which suggests they're a single faction but I don't know if anything specifically states this is the case.

However, this may not be a problem with the detachments for FoBT, that twitch stream did heavily hint that the Ynnari will be an all new faction just using existing models and units but replacing faction special rules with their own. Kind of like how the Corsair work.
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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Sat Jan 28 2017, 02:41

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However, this may not be a problem with the detachments for FoBT, that twitch stream did heavily hint that the Ynnari will be an all new faction just using existing models and units but replacing faction special rules with their own. Kind of like how the Corsair work.

Since the Corsairs already do that it really begs the question as to why they would feel the need to make a second "optional" Eldar faction that builds itself from other army's models. If I wanted to use Wych models but also wanted them to be good infantry I could run them as Corsair Voidstormers. If I had Reaver models but wanted them to have a 3+ save and more weapon options I could make them Cloud Dancers. If I had Hellion models but wanted to make them good jump infantry, I could make them Corsair Reavers. Now, sure, they will still be Wyches, but they will be Ynneadi Wyches with entirely different rules, so it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.

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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Sat Jan 28 2017, 03:43

Well Corsairs are forgeworld, and I don't think they have been updated since 6th edition (citation needed). Along with the fact that they probably want to make Ynnead a big deal he is after all a god and the (new) rival of Slaanesh. So it makes sense that they are giving the followers of Ynnead new rules.

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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Sat Jan 28 2017, 04:08

Corsairs are the most recent Eldar army to have an update, even moreso than Harlequins. Their update was substantial and IMO fantastic. I love their fluff and army design. They basically play how DE should play, with a power level just a notch below CWE.

That's just it though, they didn't need to make the Ynnead cult a new faction. Malys, Iyanna or whoever, and some clown would have worked as icons while keeping the three armies separate. You know, like the Imperium had 3 distinctly independent but unifying heroic characters. It's not so much a new Imperial faction as it is like a coalition, like the Allies in WWII. That woulda been awesome. Dark Eldar could have teamed up with Craftworld Corsair fleets, taking their cut as they plunder. We would have had clowns with aspect warriors, giving them mystical support on the battlefields. Covens could have struck up a deal with the Ghost Warriors and we'd see like, Grotesques in formations with Wraithblades. THAT would be amazing.

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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Sat Jan 28 2017, 08:49

@Vorl-Xoelanth Thanks for posting the video. Just watched it and it sounds like some pretty cool stuff is coming. From what they said it sounds like running an Ynneari army will have quite a lot of flexibility to just use Dark Eldar if one desires. Despite some others who seem to want to complain a lot, this sounds exciting to me and I can't wait to see what comes of it.

They did mention Jetbikes and Hellions at one point, so here's to hoping that all of the models from Gangs of Commorragh will be useful within this faction.

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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Sat Jan 28 2017, 10:24

Is it just me, or did the description of the new faction mechanic sound a tad bit similar to the old pain token system?

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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Sat Jan 28 2017, 10:45

Does anybody know what that book will cost and when it will be in the stores?
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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Sat Jan 28 2017, 11:22

Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia is £30, And I would hazard a guess that GS:Fracture of Biel-Tan will be released 2nd/3rd week in Feb.
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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Sat Jan 28 2017, 13:44

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However, this may not be a problem with the detachments for FoBT, that twitch stream did heavily hint that the Ynnari will be an all new faction just using existing models and units but replacing faction special rules with their own. Kind of like how the Corsair work.

Since the Corsairs already do that it really begs the question as to why they would feel the need to make a second "optional" Eldar faction that builds itself from other army's models. If I wanted to use Wych models but also wanted them to be good infantry I could run them as Corsair Voidstormers. If I had Reaver models but wanted them to have a 3+ save and more weapon options I could make them Cloud Dancers. If I had Hellion models but wanted to make them good jump infantry, I could make them Corsair Reavers. Now, sure, they will still be Wyches, but they will be Ynneadi Wyches with entirely different rules, so it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.
Sure, if you've got some pathological hatred against others having options then by all means carry on whining.

You could do all of those things you mentioned but why? A Voidstorm band is even worse than Wyches, Reavers already have a 3+ with Skilled Rider, but Cloud Dancers have a 4+ (armour or jink), Reaver Bands aren't Jump infantry, they're Jet Pack Infantry and work in a very different way.

You go on to say that Corsairs play like better Dark Eldar but this isn't true, they're a better shooty Dark Eldar thanks to Reckless Abandon and their vast array of options (there's that word again) but outside of the Prince have none of the close combat ability of Dark Eldar (Malevelants are better than Wyches and Mandrakes, which isn't saying much, but don't come close to Incubi, Talos, Beastpacks, Grotesques or Reavers in CC ability).

If the Ynnari gives us a new way to play Eldar and new special rules that change the way the army plays then I can't see any real reason to complain, though no doubt you'll still try your hardest to find one.
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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Sat Jan 28 2017, 14:37

I don't think catastrophizing is reasonable either, but there's no reason to make personal attacks on people.
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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Sat Jan 28 2017, 16:26

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Sure, if you've got some pathological hatred against others having options then by all means carry on whining.

Get a loada this guy here.

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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Sat Jan 28 2017, 20:18

Phew! such a relief that we're not being merged with other Eldar. would also kind of ruin gangs of Commoragh if they happened.

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PostSubject: Re: Fracture of Biel-Tan reveal in Twitch.tv   Sat Jan 28 2017, 21:15

Actually that doesn't sound like something the dark eldar wouldn't do.

"Hey you want to come on a raid?"

"Are you just hoping we will get in real close for the fun of it and then die?"

"Don't be silly of course I am, but if you're good you won't die, and how else are you going to get your fix?"

"... when do we leave?"


See. Commoragh.

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