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PostSubject: First bunch of Kabalites...   Mon Dec 26 2016, 17:33

Hi fellows! So, after some months of absence dealing with my new home and struggling with colour scheme ideas for my KW armour, I ended with this:






Note that I haven't painted any hair, flesh, skincloth yet, still trying to find colours that may fit into the main violet scheme. Tell me if you think about anything to be modified to a better rendering. Please be indulgent, I still haven't a great brushstroke, I wish to master it better in the near future. I could also dilute a bit more my paints to avoid mass layering aspects. The tenth warrior had prime coat problems and had to be stripped off.

Sorry for the quality, iPhone pics... I lowered the quality to enhance uploading speed.


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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Mon Dec 26 2016, 20:10

I was about to say I liked the Pale Vampire esque look for the Deldar... and compliment the white hair as I thought it popped and looked cool xD

Anyway I like the purple a good bit and if you want to add some metallics to compliment it I recommend a gold since there isn't much places to add it I recommend it on the gun somewhere (Although giving the Sybarite gold detailing on the mask would look cool) Gold horns would look pretty cool too imo.

As for hair I'd go with either Blonde or Silver. Blonde just works with purple imo, and silver really would make it pop and stand out from the rest of the armor. Skin wise I think pale works well for them or you could go Drow and paint them a nice greyish skin tone I mean Dark Eldar are into body modification so...

As for the Loincloths I don't really know. I've never cared for the idea of painting them as flesh (even though that's what it is) I prefer the idea of tattered cloth. (Sorry for the unrelated note)

Anyway good luck! I look forward to see your army painted!
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Mon Dec 26 2016, 20:30

Then I should have let the prime as it is on the hair, why bother? haha! Thank you anyway for the first intention  Smile

I'm quite struggling to know if I should use gold or bronze, or let's say, tin-like for the metallics. I've always thought purple fit quite well with 'grey' metal colours but I'm afraid it would look dim...

For the hair I indeed thought about a blueish silver shade, but quite don't know what paints to actually use. I like the idea of my DE not looking entirely 'evil' and perverted, and keeping a bridge with their roots, so avoiding flashhy hair colours and keeping a kind of natural Eldar hair colour. As for the skin a grey dead-like flesh would work well, but still have no idea what taints to use.

About the cloths, I agree it could look like tattered cloth more than skin, since there's no convention for it to be as so, still dealing with that matter.


Thank you for your comment and ideas, I will post some more pics here to let you see how it goes!


EDIT: BTW, if you're interested in knowing what paints I used for the armour, I did as following: Kantor blue+bit of black, Kantor blue, Druchii violet wash (poorly diluted), Kantor+Xereus purple, Xereus purple, Genestealer purple, Genestealer purple+bit of white and then a much diluted Druchii wash.
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Mon Dec 26 2016, 20:57

I have little experince with painting so I cannot help you with the actual paints (unfortunately) but I can help with color coordination a bit. The reason I brought up gold is because I've seen artwork where it works really well with purple.

This is the 2nd time I bring this character up on the Dark city but the color combination is fantastic.


The Purple is the primary color, with gold being a trim at certain points and either black or red cloth I'd think would work really well for your scheme.

I think a gold, would work better then brass (imo) with a deep crimson(ish) or possibly abbadon black being decent to start with for the cloth colors
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Tue Dec 27 2016, 03:21

I vote gold. Purple and yellow are natural compliments, so by extension gold and blonde.

The cloth is hard. Do you want to keep them dark or try and make it pop? I keep my cloth as my secondary colour (royal purple). And make my smaller details(inside splinter rifle, drug dispenser) a sky blue so it pops. So maybe black, cream, or gray? Dark red if you want a vampire feel.

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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Tue Dec 27 2016, 07:09

Or maybe off-white or cream? I mean, who would not want to be THIS smooth?
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Tue Dec 27 2016, 08:39

In fact, I want some details to stand out, to get a well-balanced result, not too much, not too dim. I really shall try it gold for the metallics, but off-white might be cool as well.

What kind of wash is the best to use for gold, sepia wash?
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Tue Dec 27 2016, 16:44

If I may, I am not a fan of washing metallics. You take away a lot of the shine. I rather use the darker metals as basic coat and highlight all the way up. Its time consuming, but totally worth it. You might want to try Non-Metallic Metal technique (NMM).

Anyway, If these are your beginner's work as you suggest, then I'd say you have talent. Kudos. If you want to improve on this, I would suggest trying thinning your paints as you already said. Glazing and layering might be a good technique for you. Depends on how patient you are and how much time you want to spend painting. :-D

Try to look up acrylic matte medium and thinner at your locale. The models look kinda glossy at the photo, which I am not sure is intentional.
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Tue Dec 27 2016, 19:47

Thank you very much, but the pics aren't zoomed enough to see the little mistakes (easily corrected anyway). I stopped painting miniatures for a long time and can be considered as a beginner again!

For the metallics I have some gold ones (Balthasar, Auric Armour and Gehenna), will try them to know what result I want.

I always wish to improve, and the thinning of the paints has been tickling in my mind since I think the render is too thick in aspect. I read a lot of articles and painting tutorials, I am familiar with some techniques as thes one you just mentioned, I thought I used them for the KW, but not as good as I intended... I'm quite patient as the matter is worth it, I tend to optimise a lot and hate spending time to get a dirty result! xD
I work in a shop where we sell a lot a painting stuff (for canvas etc.), I could easily find a thinner. But what's a matte medium?

For the glossy aspect, it was semi-intentional I would say, it's due to the Druchii violet wash I used to link the different shades.
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Wed Dec 28 2016, 06:51

aurynn wrote:
If I may, I am not a fan of washing metallics. You take away a lot of the shine.



Tadaaaa!  Smile
( it's not the same, I know )

But as he says, the wash darkens things considerably. Either painting the wash directly in to the recesses and\or highlighting the raised parts back up with a lighter shade or two, is going to give you the best result. Depends on how much work you are willing to put in.

If you want matte medium I can recommend GWs Lahmian medium. It is basically the binding medium of the paint without any pigment in it. It is great for thinning down paints, making glossy parts matte or painting over decals to make them blend in.
If you are going to try out glazes, and thin your paints a lot, it is a must. If you thin your paints too much with water, it will get chalky and awful. But if you are only thinning it a little bit to improve the flow, a drop of distilled water will usually be just fine.

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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Wed Dec 28 2016, 19:52

I use this.

It flows a lot better than the GW stuff, so its easy to use, but its not a wash. GW stuff is not bad at all, mind you, but its generally made to the thickness of GW paints so its expected you will thin it with water or a thinner.

Since you are working in an artists shop, you should be able to find something similar. Important thing is that it should be acrylic.

Also if you are really interested in some experiments, try to look up a shop at your place which sells finely ground silica. Its basically the reflective stuff in metallics. With that, regular colours and the medium, you can make your own shades of metallics. The finer the sillica, the better. Its usually found in alternative makeup (cosmetics) shops. Along with some great pigments if you want to start experimenting. :-)

As for the Agrax - I have it too and the shade is not bad, but its gloss and it both takes away the metal shine and adds glossy reflections to parts where there should not be any reflection. But I am very much biased against anything glossy, so it might definitely work for you!
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Thu Dec 29 2016, 16:37

I found glossy and matte medium for acrylics for quite cheap, it says on the bottle it improves the flow of the paint, but does it actually thin the pigments by extension? Or does it exist thinners excusively?

In fact I'm fine with the glossy rendering of my armours, the guy who sells the miniatures (I got 20% discount on GW ! ) at my work said the loincloth would be fine with a pale yellow, I'm thinking about it. You all converted me with the gold for my metallics, but since I'm actually a total beginner at painting metal, need some good tutorial, I will look up on youtube, there's plenty, but if you have recommendations don't hesitate!
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Sun Jan 01 2017, 09:32

It increases the amount of the medium compared to the amount of pigment. Therefore it makes the colour more opaque. Each colour is in fact a mix of glue (sort of), filler and pigment. Filler and pigments are tiny particles. The medium is just the glue and filler, but by reducing the relative amount of particles in a colour it makes it flow a little better. The glossy ones have higher glue to filler ratio and the matte ones have more filler to equal portion of glue, thus making the final texture rougher and non-reflective. Thats why the matte paints form thicker layers.

Pure thinners on the other hand - ones that can make a wash - have a chemical that reduces a surface tension of liquids, which makes it flow extremely well. Its a similar principle to some dishwasher chemicals that help drying. Therefore - you wont make a wash with the mediums, but you will make great pigment-thin glazes.

Well as for tutorial - I have not find a single one I am happy with, especially when everyone imagines that their gold should look a little different. Some want a bright, yellowish shine, some want it more brown or red. Just google "gold ring" images. The amount of shades of gold is staggering.

EDIT: Undercoat matters greatly. I usually go with Black.

In miniatures people usually go from Brown shades through gold layers up to silver highlights. But in fact the deepest gold shade is almost black. And in addition the transitions are very sharp, which cant be done with washes. I recommend finding yourself a picture of a gold jewel you like, open it up in Gimp or Photoshop and check the colours at different levels of shading with the "colour pick" tool. Try making larger squares of each colour you find there in another file in succession from darkest to lightest and compare them to the colours you have. Do not forget that you can add a tiny bit of normal colour to a metallic one to get the shade you desire without losing much of the metallic quality.
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Wed Jan 11 2017, 22:41

Wow thanks a lot for your advices, I still haven't looked into the golden colour scheme yet, but I figured out how to paint the loinclothes, I just did a test on on model and tried to take a better quality picture with my iphone:



(Sorry for the the pic, once I hosted it, it flipped while the source pic is on the right side... Plus the light I use brightens the yellow while it's really pale IRL)

I was into something like off white or a pale yellow, and I thought the latter would fit wery well with the armour purple tones, I used the VGC Pale Yellow, adding Ushabti Bone for the prime, then a Sepia wash, then Ushabti alone for the highlights and some Screaming Skull on the edges. I must confess I'm quite satisfied with the result. What do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Thu Jan 12 2017, 06:14

Not bad at all! Nicely rough look. Like dirt/grease stained bleached leather.
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Thu Jan 12 2017, 12:24

Hunh, thought you purposely left the guns white, looked kinda neat.

The purple armor is amazing though
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Thu Jan 12 2017, 13:43

Thanks all again for such returns, sorry fisheyes to disappoint you for the rifles hehe, I decided to paint them part gold after letting them white-primed so I had to paint them black , but it´s food for thought to test white or a light grey on them. A non-metallic rendering for the splinters is kind of original.

For the clothes I wanted something rough and dirty to make contrast with the kind of polished armour while keeping a leatherish dead skin result which I'm proud of to be honest, hard to get back a good brushstroke after 10 years.

For the eyes I tested a VGA Electric Blue which I will lighten a bit (with white or maybe a light grey), I try to keep a simple and well-balanced scheme.

Next I will test a skin colour.
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Thu Jan 12 2017, 14:12

I like them! Nice juxtaposition of the dark purple of the armour and the sharp yellow/brown of the loincloth. Looks great!

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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Thu Jan 12 2017, 17:59

Nice! I'm using your paint scheme as inspiration for sure. I've been looking for something that starts as a dark, smoky violet/purple/crimson and is highlighted with the lighter version. Since I'm a painting newbie, can you kind of outline the process for how you painted the model? What techniques and materials you used and when?

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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Thu Jan 12 2017, 21:16

Thank you again! Chippen don't worry I'm kind of a newbie myself and never have been a great painter even in my hobby "haydays" (a long time ago).

For the actual colouring process I did as following (GW taints): White prime coat (I prefer personally but it's a matter of taste) / Kantor blue+bit of black / Kantor blue / whole Druchii violet wash to fill the shadowed parts of the armour plates / Kantor+Xereus purple / Xereus purple / Genestealer purple / Genestealer purple+bit of white and then a much diluted Druchii wash (I covered the whole armour but you can just cover the purple shades only just to link them).

It's quite the classic way to do I guess. You can use a matte medium which would get a less glossy result than mine. When I write blue + purple, I mean it 50/50.

I hope it'll help!

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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Thu Jan 19 2017, 23:33



Here are the loinclothes, finally! What do you think? Still too yellow with that phone...

Sorry for the double-post.
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Fri Jan 20 2017, 00:31

I like them Smile the yellow's a nice contrast with the purple armour.

Perhaps the added yellowness is your phone adjusting the colour-balance against the background (or the ambient light level). Perhaps try a different lamp to see if it changes, or a different backdrop?

Oh, and what are basing plans for them?

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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Fri Jan 20 2017, 08:29

I will try to photograph them in daylight since my desk lamp is an halogen (hence yellowish...) and my main light is a LED which doesn't light a thing...

Oh the basing! I struggle with a base colour actually, for the flocking I thought about a grey stone drybrushed with a lighter tone, washed a bit with blue at some points, adding artificial snow for a winter ambient, on the paper, but I'm not quite sure about how it'd look for real. Advices are welcome!
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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Fri Jan 20 2017, 10:37

Yeah daylight's tricky this time of year :S it's taken me ages to find a lighting setup that I'm happy with. Turns out it's on top of a chest of drawers in my kitchen, with the lamp next to it laid down on its side...

I'm far from an expert, but I think that whatever colour the base is it should be dark. I was thinking of a very dark grey stone, almost black, drybrushed with a slightly lighter grey. The snow idea would be a nice way to add a little flash of brightness while not taking the attention away from the model itself Smile

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PostSubject: Re: First bunch of Kabalites...   Fri Jan 20 2017, 11:51

Yes, you have got to find the right place for a good lighting, sometimes it can be peculiar!

I thought about the dark grey for the base itself and then a lighter drybrush (or two) for the flocking, scattering a bit of snow (hope the one I got for xmad trees at work will render well), like a recently melted snow. It´s neutral enough not to ruin the contrast with the model. Thanks for the tips!
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