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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Thu Nov 17 2016, 23:07

Hah Smile I'd spotted that while searching for 40k lizardmen.

All it's missing is some wires, some glyphs, a control panel and an Ork Mek looking extremely pleased with himself...

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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Sun Nov 20 2016, 10:11

Well, fisheyes, I think you're right about the Raider. I like it, but it's lacking a little oomph compared to the other models. So, I've taken advantage of the sales on at bitsandkits and ordered something to spice it up a little Smile Shall post it up when it gets here.

Til then, I've finished my hunters!



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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Sun Nov 20 2016, 13:31

Oh I must have missed this thread before, you're like an evil genius with this stuff Very Happy my faves are the walkers and the croneweaver.
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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Sun Nov 20 2016, 14:00

Thanks man Smile now if only i could paint them as well as your beautiful kabalites!

I really must get some paint on the Croneweaver. I don't have many other paints apart from browns, reds and golds!

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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Sun Nov 20 2016, 21:48

Well, I've come up with a bit of fluff to help explain things like the night vision rules Dark Eldar have and other such things.

Basically, Exodites go in for the whole 'body modification' thing in a big way (same technology that gives Scourges their wings). The vast majority of exodites have at least a few minor modifications. For instance, one common trait is reflective corneas found in big cats, which vastly increase low-light vision (Dark Eldar night vision). Another common trait is replacement of the lungs with more efficient avian architecture, increasing endurance (Craftworld Eldar Battle Focus).

It also opens up another really cool way you could do exodites which I'm definitely going to do at some point: biologically engineered animalistic eldar!

You could go down some really cool avenues with that. I'm thinking Striking Scorpions would be excellent. To represent the mandiblaster attack, the exodite warrior has venom glands implanted in their neck, and musculature similar to spitting cobras. Just before they enter combat, they shoot corrosive venom at their enemies (if anyone's read Chasm City by Alastair Reynolds, like Tanner Mirabel).

I'm sure there are others which lend themselves to that Smile Howling Banshees' banshee masks would be a good one Smile

Would make for some really cool codex art too Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Mon Nov 21 2016, 13:17

@Rhivan, that picture made me litterally LOL. Thank you for that on my Monday morning.

Ynneadwraith, keep em coming! Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Mon Nov 21 2016, 13:28

Thanks man Smile I've just worked out, I'm a Succubus, 5 Kabs, 2 Raiders, 2 Venoms, 5 Scourges, 6 Swooping Hawks and a Farseer away from a workable 1850pt army Smile

Getting there Smile it's only the 2nd Raider and the Venoms I haven't got built yet, although I want to re-do my Succubus and Scourges...

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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 15:19

I like to follow the links in everyone's signature if it looks like a plog... I have to say, that you have some great ideas there. I like them a lot. Kudos on your army, sir! I might adapt some of it. I am not planning an Exodite army, but I am planning a joint DE, Harlie and Corsair force.
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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 15:26

Thanks man Smile I'd love to see what you come up with modelling-wise for that sort of Eldar superfriends list Smile

One thought that I've had is that rather than using dedicated Harlie and Corsair models as allied forces, you could use the rules for allied Corsairs and Harlies to represent special elite Dark Eldar units specific to your Kabal.

The Corsair rules especially lend themselves really nicely to doing a whole murderflock of Scourges for instance, and Harlie rules for elite Wyches would be cool too Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 16:41

Well I am of the belief that in 8th we will all be rolled into one big Eldar Codex. So I tend to work that way - unifying the Eldar. Trying to find common ground and goals. I also like the idea of harlies and adore their models too. They also bring some of that DE have little of The only thing that perplexes me is why they so often use a human heart symbol... I get using geometric shapes as they are universal, but human heart symbol?

As for my DE, I like the idea of fleet/hideout based DE, off the grid of Commoragh. More corsairs than DE, not fond of haemonculi or Covens. I actually had to convince myself to use Scourges. But the models are great... And can use them as corsairs too, so yea... 2 boxes... :-) So currently I am experimenting with Harlies together with DE. Next in line are corsairs. I also have some CWE walkers which I will use as wasps and I got some Vypers. I know nobody uses them, but there is something very appealing to them for me. Maybe their visual similarity to Venoms. I also like to "darken" CWE models. :-) I have some CWE Autarch bits which I will make into Corsair Prince.
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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 17:50

Definitely post up a project log when you start all of that Smile I'll watch it with interest!

I love Vypers too. One of the first CWE models I got after reading about that Nuadhu Fireheart chap in the old Craftworld Eldar supplement. They're not actually bad at all tbh, it's just that they're competing with the other 'buffed-to-the-stratosphere' entries in the Eldar codex.

I really hope they don't go down the whole 'Grand Alliances' theme for 8th. It dumbs down some pretty complex inter-factions relationships down to the point that they're oversimplified (plus, it adds an unnecessary level of nested lists on the GW website...). I like the whole 'yeah we'd rather be shooting each other at the moment, but Eldar blood is Eldar blood when it comes to fighting the upstart races of the galaxy, with the Harlies trying to bridge the gap' mechanic the Eldar have going on.

The heart thing also bothers me, especially considering that the origins of the heart symbol is actually the shape of a (rather shapely) woman's behind as a fertility symbol. Unless it's explained as a common influence from the Old Ones' mutual meddling in their genetic history...

Asuryan's Ying/Yang symbol bothers me even more...

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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 18:25

As strange as it may sound, I certainly hope for the "Grand Alliance" stuff. One reason - much more accessible rules both moneywise and "searchwise". :-)
Simplification of rules will never be as in AOS. Just because of extra stuff like Transports, Reserves, Mech, etc. However as much as I like AOS, it has one flaw. Everyone and their mom can assault T1 and with sudden death rule you just need to destroy one unit you pick. Which is applicable in half of the scenarios. I love assault in 7th. Everyone is so shooty that getting in their faces is hilarious beyond measure. And speaking of harlies - consider what they can bring us in that regard... Just the Solitaire taking out an Imperial Knight more often than not... The looks on the faces of your enemies when that happens is priceless. I would very much hate to lose that...
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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 19:09

Yeah I suppose it's a complete and total lack of trust in GW actually doing it well, given how alienating the same experience has been for Fantasy players.

I just know that I'll be really pissed off if I just finish my exodite army in time for the whole universe to go down the crapper and suddenly all the exodites are eaten by Tyranids :S

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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 19:24

Lol, off topic and with regards to he heart shape, remember that every faction in the 40k verse is humanoid. All who have that exact "anatomy" as it were. In fact, I would imagine the athletic harlies would have this feature even more Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 19:29

Except that is not, and cannot happen, as while this time-thread is different due to the actualized birth of Ynnead amongst other examples, we are actually living in the past. We know what is to come because it has already happened. When Abaddon wins the world doesn't end, Hell Eldrad might not even die this time. The Old World was a story and GW doesn't know how to do epic long term medieval political intrigue. 40,000 is a setting and 30k/The Horus Heresy is it's story. 30k is ending, there will eventually be a post-13th black crusade, and it may be radically different and some major players may fall but remnants and pockets of descendants will always survive.

AoS introduces increased granularity in factions with weak ways to unite them as a large scale alliance. I'm not looking forward to this due to to how our alliance is relatively small and will be marginalized in favor of imperium, and when we do get things it will be wych cult/ haemy covens/ cabal level niche.
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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 19:59

I really do love your "hunters" you've been an excellent inspiration for my corsair reavers when I actually get to converting them -.-

@Ynneadwraith wrote:


One thought that I've had is that rather than using dedicated Harlie and Corsair models as allied forces, you could use the rules for allied Corsairs and Harlies to represent special elite Dark Eldar units specific to your Kabal.

The Corsair rules especially lend themselves really nicely to doing a whole murderflock of Scourges for instance, and Harlie rules for elite Wyches would be cool too Smile
Darn it, now people will think I'm copying you when I do that.


As for the Grand Alliance stuff... I'm not sure how I feel about it honestly, as the GRAND ALLIANCE at least how AoS handles it buys me. I like how Battle Brothers work, maybe we could add a bit to show Alldar cooperation by having joint faction books or formations. I just don't want us to get oversimplified into the GRAND ALLIANCE OF ELDAR.

I mean having joint Eldar books with unique stuff (Troops/Fluff/Formations) would be cool.


Minirant incoming...

Yeah personally I hate the harlies having hearts and Asurman's ying-yang. I'd like us to keep earth/human influences in the imperium. I would love if the space elves had more elven and unique iconography. I really hate having the japanese shrines as symbols for Eldar craftworlds too, I know they take influence from them but could we take back some of the norse mythology with them? Or at least have them be more unique ;( I signed up to play Space Elves /cry

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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 20:46

With regards to the iconography, keep in mind that EVERYTHING in 40k is through the Imperial view point. Eldar falcons are not actually called falcons, its just what the Imperium equates it to. I imagine the iconography is similar. It looks LIKE a yin-yang, so we just model it as such. Who knows what it actually looks like.

rant/

But yes, DE should be THE norse faction, not the bloody space wolves. They dont even raid!? How are they supposed to get into the Golden Hall? We are the ones pillaging/raping/killing the way of True Vikings.

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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 20:53

Yeah I very much like that as an explanation. Everything named is either a translation or an Imperial callsign (Necron Doomscythes sound like an IoM designation).

Agreed on the DE/Norse Smile if we pillage/assault/kill enough we can be reborn after our death into Valhalla, a place where we can pillage/assault/kill some more!

Ergo, the 40k universe is actually Valhalla Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 20:57

@fisheyes wrote:
Lol, off topic and with regards to he heart shape, remember that every faction in the 40k verse is humanoid. All who have that exact "anatomy" as it were. In fact, I would imagine the athletic harlies would have this feature even more Wink

Hah Smile I did consider that. Dangerously close to Slaanesh worship that Wink slapping backsides all over your armour (double-entendre intended...)

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Except that is not, and cannot happen, as while this time-thread is different due to the actualized birth of Ynnead amongst other examples, we are actually living in the past. We know what is to come because it has already happened.  When Abaddon wins the world doesn't end, Hell Eldrad might not even die this time.  The Old World was a story and GW doesn't know how to do epic long term medieval political intrigue. 40,000 is a setting and 30k/The Horus Heresy is it's story. 30k is ending, there will eventually be a post-13th black crusade, and it may be radically different and some major players may fall but remnants and pockets of descendants will always survive.

AoS introduces increased granularity in factions with weak ways to unite them as a large scale alliance. I'm not looking forward to this due to to how our alliance is relatively small and will be marginalized in favor of imperium, and when we do get things it will be wych cult/ haemy covens/ cabal level niche.

Yeah I'm hoping the writers remember the first point.

It's the second part that hits my 'hell-no, nuke it from orbit' buttons. Given how much favouritism they give to their power-armoured cash machines, I simply don't trust GW to go through that sort of transition without thoroughly alienating everyone who doesn't relate to 7-foot tall post-human Mary Sues...

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I really do love your "hunters" you've been an excellent inspiration for my corsair reavers when I actually get to converting them -.-

Thanks man Smile I'm really happy with how they turned out!

I tihnk the real turning point for being able to use Glade Guard legs effectively was picking up a cheap dremel that let me carve out a little dish in the legs for the eldar torsos to fit into Smile

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Darn it, now people will think I'm copying you when I do that.

Great minds think alike! It's a fairly recent thought of mine, so I'm sure you were first Wink

@Rhivan wrote:

As for the Grand Alliance stuff... I'm not sure how I feel about it honestly, as the GRAND ALLIANCE at least how AoS handles it buys me. I like how Battle Brothers work, maybe we could add a bit to show Alldar cooperation by having joint faction books or formations. I just don't want us to get oversimplified into the GRAND ALLIANCE OF ELDAR.

I mean having joint Eldar books with unique stuff (Troops/Fluff/Formations) would be cool.

Yeah there are ways in which it could be done well, but most of them are so similar to Battle Brothers allies rules that there'd really be no point in changing them. Not that GW won't try of course...

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Minirant incoming...

Yeah personally I hate the harlies having hearts and Asurman's ying-yang. I'd like us to keep earth/human influences in the imperium. I would love if the space elves had more elven and unique iconography. I really hate having the japanese shrines as symbols for Eldar craftworlds too, I know they take influence from them but could we take back some of the norse mythology with them? Or at least have them be more unique ;( I signed up to play Space Elves /cry

EDIT: @Fisheyes your welcome I'm glad that you had a good laugh Cool

Agreed, or at least keep it to a minimum. The hearts can be explained with similarities of anatomy (itself explained through Old One tampering).

The Ying Yang is flagrant though, and should be expunged in my opinion Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 21:03

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But yes, DE should be THE norse faction, not the bloody space wolves. They dont even raid!? How are they supposed to get into the Golden Hall? We are the ones pillaging/raping/killing the way of True Vikings
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Agreed on the DE/Norse Smile if we pillage/assault/kill enough we can be reborn after our death into Valhalla, a place where we can pillage/assault/kill some more!

Ergo, the 40k universe is actually Valhalla Wink
Well this means one thing... Think Valkyrie would work well as a Jetbike Seer Council? I'm going VIKING

Sorry for derailing the thread Ynnead xD
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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 21:14

No worries Smile derail away Wink

Neatly distracts from the fact that I should be painting things at the moment Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 21:17

So what do you think of a seer council (the jetbike variety) being modeled as Valkyrie? I ask because I think it'd be really cool to have, but I want them winged not on jetbikes... I really want to do that now xD
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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 21:29

I know for a fact that ynneadwraith has a few wych torsos kicking around. Not sure how they would look crouched over a jetbike.

But if anyone was up to the task, its the deranged citizens of the Dark City Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 21:42

Hah Smile thanks man

I most certainly do Wink

Hmmm, thinking about winged Valkyries as a Jetseer council, I'm picturing this chap's excellent Swooping Hawks conversions.



Might be a little pricey, but they use the legs from Forgeworld Shadow Spectres which would work really nicely for Valkyrie Warlocks Smile

The Scourge wings are a no-brainer, and you can get Warlock heads and Singing Spears from the Warlock Jetbikes Smile

Yeah these could look really cool Smile you could even pitch them as an esoteric Aspect shrine found only on a handful of craftworlds Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Corsairs, Exodites, Craftworlders and hopefully Kabalites soon   Tue Nov 22 2016, 21:58

Well if I did them I'd probably have them be originally from my Exodites and their history/backstory and possibly have them nab some Dark Eldar to join them. The biggest reason I asked is because I'm not sure how some people would feel about running winged troops as jetbikes

As for models while I knew the wings I'd use, I was considering using some of the Blood Vestals (Sci fi or fantasy Idk) as heads and maybe(?) torsos (although I'd have to greenstuff armor on the other boob) as for the legs the shadow specters, and scourges could be good legs.

EDIT: I forgot to mention I really do like those conversions.
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