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PostSubject: Dark Eldars in ETC 2016   Sun Aug 14 2016, 10:22

This year we had 2 Dark Eldar representatives in the ETC. Sergey Stazhilo-Alekseev, from the Russian team and Patrick Carter, from the Aussie team.

I obviously didnt count those that used Dark Eldar as cheap objective grabbers or webway portal bearers as Dark Eldar players, even if it was their main detachment.

Their lists:

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+ TEAM: AUSTRALIA
+ PLAYER 8: Patrick Carter
+ PLAYER TOURNEYKEEPER PROFILE: 1612
+ ARMY (Factions used): Harlequins / Dark Eldar
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1849pts
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== Primary Detachment: Harlequins: The Heroes' Path ==
ELITES1: Death Jester - [60] - WARLORD
ELITES2: Shadowseer (60), Haywire Grenades (5) - [65]
ELITES3: Solitaire (145), Haywire Grenades (5) - [150]

== Secondary Detachment: Dark Eldar: Combined Arms Detachment ==
HQ1: Court of the Archon, 1 Sslyth (25), Raider DT (55), Dark Lance (5) - [85]

TROOPS1: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Raider DT (55), Dark Lance (5) - [100]
TROOPS1: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Raider DT (55), Dark Lance (5) - [100]
TROOPS1: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Raider DT (55), Dark Lance (5) - [100]
TROOPS5: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [105]
TROOPS5: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [105]
TROOPS6: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [105]

FA1: 3 Reavers (48), Cluster Caltrops (15), Heat Lance (10) - [73]
FA1: 3 Reavers (48), Cluster Caltrops (15), Heat Lance (10) - [73]
FA1: 3 Reavers (48), Cluster Caltrops (15), Heat Lance (10) - [73]

FORT1: Wall of Martyrs Imperial Bunker (55), Comms Relay (20) - [75]

== Secondary Detachment: Dark Eldar: Allied Detachment ==
HQ1: Court of the Archon, 1 Sslyth (25), Raider DT (55), Dark Lance (5) - [85]

TROOPS1: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [105]
TROOPS2: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [105]

FA1: Raider - [55]

== Secondary Detachment: Dark Eldar: Haemonculus Covens: Scalpel Squadron ==
ELITES1: 5 Wracks (50), Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [115]
ELITES2: 5 Wracks (50), Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [115]

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Results:
ESC: L/L/W/W/W. #24th place
ETC: L/W/W/L/W/L. #20th team
54.5% Winrate
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+ TEAM: Russia
+ PLAYER 8: Sergey "Starrok" Stazhilo-Alekseev
+ PLAYER TOURNEYKEEPER PROFILE: Sergey Stazhilo-Alekseev
+ ARMY (Factions used): Dark Eldar, Chaos Space Marines
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1846 pts
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== Primary Detachment: Dark Eldar Combined Arms Detachment ==
HQ1: Lhamaean (10), Venom DT (55) [65 pts]

Troop 1: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Sybarite (10), Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [115 pts] - WARLORD
Troop 2: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Blaster (15) Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [120pts]
Troop 3: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Blaster (15) Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [120pts]
Troop 4: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Blaster (15) Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [120pts]
Troop 5: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Blaster (15) Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [120pts]
Troop 6: 5 Kabalite Warriors (40), Shredder (5), Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [110 pts]

Elite 1: 3 Mandrakes - [36 pts]

FA1: Venom (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [65 pts]
FA2: Venom (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [65 pts]
FA3: Venom (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [65 pts]

Fortification 1: Imperial Bunker (55), Comms Relay (20) - [75 pts]

== Secondary Detachment: Haemonculus Covens: Scalpel Squadron ==
Elite1: 5 Wracks (50), Ossefactor (15), Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [130 pts]
Elite2: 5 Wracks (50), Ossefactor (15), Venom DT (55), Splinter Cannon (10) - [130 pts]

== Tertiary Detachment: Chaos Space Marines Air Superiority Detachment (Death From The Skies) ==
Flyer Wing:
FAST1: 3 Helldrakes (3x170), 3 Baleflamers (3x0) - [510pts]
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Results:
ESC: W/W/L/W/W. #23 Place
ETC: W/L/L/L/L/L. #3 Team
36.36% Winrate
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In total, Dark Eldar got a 45% Winrate. I understand the sample size is very small (22 games, 2 players) but still not bad, as they faced the fiercest of competition. Props to them both for making us proud.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldars in ETC 2016   Sun Aug 14 2016, 11:00

I don't think that 50% is that great but considering that the rest of the players is playing the baddest and meanest lists it's actually quite good.

What about the guy using a crap load a vehicles? That might be a valid tactic.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldars in ETC 2016   Sun Aug 14 2016, 12:04

I know Pat here in Australia - very good player in his area

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldars in ETC 2016   Sun Aug 14 2016, 12:15

@CptMetal wrote:
I don't think that 50% is that great but considering that the rest of the players is playing the baddest and meanest lists it's actually quite good.
Actually I made a boo boo. Its 45%, not 50%, but all things considered Is still great in my book. Fixed in the post.

I myself cant understand Patrick Carter's list for the life of me. I assume he is going null-deployment becouse of the scalpel squadron and comms relay, but barebones lance raiders? whats that about? Its not nearly enough for it being considered viable AV. Maybe he didnt have more Venom models? Maybe he's trying to win as a lictor shame would and values the extra HP over more firepower? I am honestly baffled that not only he had the guts to play that list in such a high stakes enviroment, but made it work, winning most of his games against terrifying army lists. I dunno how the arena didnt crumble below his huge commorrite balls.

@Massaen wrote:
I know Pat here in Australia - very good player in his area
Is there any chance you can get him to chime in and explain his thought pocess when making this list and how he planned to use it?

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldars in ETC 2016   Sun Aug 14 2016, 12:29

I will ask him for you (and us!) as he doesn't tend to do the forum things to my knowledge.

I am seeing him in person at the end of the month for the ATC - the Australian version of the ETC

He plays for Queensland while I captain Western Australia

Neither of us are playing DE mind you!

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldars in ETC 2016   Sun Aug 14 2016, 12:36

Sorry for the double post - but its a slightly different topic while being the same and the post is kinda long...

here are the 2 Dark Eldar lists coming to the Australian team Challenge at the end of September...

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I am scratching my head at the NSW list...

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldars in ETC 2016   Sun Aug 14 2016, 12:40

Massaean wrote:
I will ask him for you (and us!) as he doesn't tend to do the forum things to my knowledge.
Thanks!

Regarding the ATC lists, apparently Lance raiders are a thing and I have no idea why.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldars in ETC 2016   Mon Aug 15 2016, 12:41

Lance raiders are arguably better in almost every aspect over ravagers.

A ravager with three dark lances can shoot at one target, has av 11, 3 hull points and in no way could ever be objective secured- cost: 125

3 raiders can shoot at three separate targets, has av 10, 9 hull points and with the addition of troops becomes objective secured.

Target saturation, 3x mobility, the ability to be OS... I always use lance raiders over ravagers.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldars in ETC 2016   Mon Aug 15 2016, 17:49

@Skulnbonz wrote:
Lance raiders are arguably better in almost every aspect over ravagers.

A ravager with three dark lances can shoot at one target, has av 11, 3 hull points and in no way could ever be objective secured- cost: 125

3 raiders can shoot at three separate targets,  has av 10, 9 hull points and with the addition of troops becomes objective secured.

Target saturation, 3x mobility, the ability to be OS... I always use lance raiders over ravagers.

Yeah well, I consider lance ravagers worthless too so... Laughing

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