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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   14/8/2016, 21:26

Is this the standard that we can expect the upcoming campaign(s) to be, storywise? If so GW shouldn't even bother. The Space Marines will just defeat everyone and the Emperor awakes to pimpslap Chaos in the face. The End. -_-
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   14/8/2016, 21:32

I completely agree with the reception of the bolter porn element of the story, it felt forced and was bog-standard 'space marine is best.'

However, I completely disagree about the reception of the story as a whole. I believe it's an important tale that should be told, and I'm not at all upset with the end result. 7 pages of lore set things up rather well.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   14/8/2016, 21:37

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However, I completely disagree about the reception of the story as a whole. I believe it's an important tale that should be told, and I'm not at all upset with the end result. 7 pages of lore set things up rather well.

Never did I say that the story isn't worth being told. But you have to admit that it is written very poorly. The same end result could have been achieved but with a much more satisfying more bloody battle and without the glaring logic issues.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   14/8/2016, 21:43

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Never did I say that the story isn't worth being told. But you have to admit that it is written very poorly. The same end result could have been achieved but with a much more satisfying more bloody battle and without the glaring logic issues.

I agree.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   14/8/2016, 22:10

Is it just me or has the quality of GWs fluff been declining for some time now?
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   14/8/2016, 22:17

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Is it just me or has the quality of GWs fluff been declining for some time now?

They're running out of stuff to nick from history/other people (and attempt to copyright).

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   14/8/2016, 22:28

I would've thought that Slaanesh gets sucker punched to make 40k child approved.

Well, let's wait how they describe chaos Marines that should be superior to loyalists.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   14/8/2016, 22:32

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Well, let's wait how they describe chaos Marines that should be superior to loyalists.

If the rumours turn out to be true and GW actually wants to build Chaos back up to the prime antagonist of 40K then those Chaos Marines will probably whoop some ass. Otherwise the Spehs Mehrens will probably just win while yelling "Humanity! F*uck Yeah!".
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   16/8/2016, 02:55

Not to be too much of a downer on this (and I know I usually am) - but all science fiction is ultimately about humanity.  We're honestly sort of lucky GW spends as much time developing "the other" as they do, considering what percentage of their sales are imperial in nature.  Plot wise... I'm sure it's lacking and the forgone conclusion is forgone.  I find it hard to make it through the fluff anymore.

As for equal sides in the box set... Harlequins are one of the most minor and specialized armies, even more so than the dark eldar.   Of the 170+ players at the bay area open, 4 were harlies and only 1 ranked above 120. The only reason I can really see them in this box is either that the models have been overproduced and are clogging warehouses, or the molds are underused and nearing the end of shelf life.

That said - Death masque box selling for $130 here, and I've seen the marine side sell for as much as $110 by itself.  Edit: box set down to $123, space marines sold yesterday for $112...

That might give you some idea of who the stars of this box set were always going to be.  Regardless of how awesome the harlie models look, I expect they'll be haunting closets for decades to come like (and possibly alongside) the dark eldar sprues of the 3rd edition box set.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   16/8/2016, 06:47

Hey now. If anyone wants to unload some harlies give me a shout out. (Know its far fetched just saying) or the story book from death masque with the missions and rules for the figures

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   16/8/2016, 12:06

Those models are hopefully going to flood e-bay and then they can haunt my bitz box for decades to come, until I finally get around to building my corsairs.

I never expected the Eldar to be the winners in this story. After all the box set is created to launch and sell a new army of the elite of the elitest of the elitester of humanity to the kids. Of course they needed someone to be the receiving end of Mary Sues one sided awesomeness. Besides, If the Eldar were saved, wouldn't that ruin the story? I realize that some GW writers fail to grasp the concepts of suspense, tension and story pacing, but even they must realize that they can't go around FIXING the grimdark things in the 40 universe.
Of course as any sane 40K player will do, I blame Matt Ward for this story. He only stood outside their building and still his psychic taint maddened the fluff writers into writing this swill. Good thing they did not allow him inside or we would have a story where Artemis runs naked through the warp before emerging to tear Eldrad limb from limb with his glistening butt cheeks.
I guess we will have to wait for the next "one up army" for that story. Custodes anyone?


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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   16/8/2016, 19:50

In light of this fluff massacre I think we should rename this thread. I'd make recommendations but I don't want to incur any mod wrath for language lol

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   16/8/2016, 22:17

I honestly don't know how people thought this was going to end. The failure of Ynnead's manifestation was a given. At least, it was to me.

Did some people really think it would end another way?
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   16/8/2016, 22:34

Well no I didn't think it was going to end in a success for Eldrad. I was just hoping that the story would be a bit more balanced in the telling, not just "bolter porn" for the Space Marine fans, and that there wouldn't be such weak reasoning as to why Eldrad failed as
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What made me even think it was possible to have a story not completely slanted to one side is beyond me. I should have reminded myself that this is GW and they will choose a "space marine wankfest" over a decent and balanced, I know less "heroic", story 9.7/10 times.

What makes it even more disappointing to me is that there are other things they could have done beside having Jedi Artemis be the cause.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   17/8/2016, 02:45

Well its not just all space marines all the time the tau and raven guard campaighn book had shadow sun outsmart the raven guard chaptermaster and kill him. Sur hes n9t a special charactor in the game and shadowsun is but still. Throught the book was pretty even and in the small books the space marines lost

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   17/8/2016, 02:52

Well obviously my comment was an exaggeration and the 9.7/10 was completely made up.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   17/8/2016, 04:23

I know. And it does make it hurt some when its just straight up crap. This death watch book is probably from the same author who allowd space marines to piolet a pain engion to escape from the dark eldar.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   17/8/2016, 05:47

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I know. And it does make it hurt some when its just straight up crap. This death watch book is probably from the same author who allowd space marines to piolet a pain engion to escape from the dark eldar.
Wait, what?
Did that actually happen?

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   17/8/2016, 06:24

Sadly something like that dont remember the book. Heard it on the splintermind podcast during their show on dark eldar literature i think. Might be getting it slightly wrong

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   17/8/2016, 09:24

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I honestly don't know how people thought this was going to end. The failure of Ynnead's manifestation was a given. At least, it was to me.

Did some people really think it would end another way?

No and that's not the point I was making. The way this failure came to be was just unsatisfying. The Eldar could have lost with dignity by giving the Space Marines a run for their money, the Harlequins being pushed back and desperately giving their lives so that Eldrad has just a few minutes more to complete the ritual... but nope.


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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   17/8/2016, 11:02

I got the whole harlie side of the box plus eldrad for $80 AUS this week...

The harlies without eldrad are $290ish bucks retail...

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   17/8/2016, 15:54

Dam im jelous of that btw good show this last month from you guys at worlds end radio massaen.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   17/8/2016, 18:08

I don't think it's unreasonable for Eldrad to be that arrogant. He's an Eldar, and that level of hubris is part of the package.

The seemingly self destructive (and from a human perspective, even foolish) arrogance is the reason their race is in the lurch they're in, but they aren't going to turn away from it anymore than the Imperium is going to turn away from fanaticism and xenophobia, despite that not having done so well for them.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   17/8/2016, 20:05

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The seemingly self destructive (and from a human perspective, even foolish) arrogance is the reason their race is in the lurch they're in, but they aren't going to turn away from it anymore than the Imperium is going to turn away from fanaticism and xenophobia, despite that not having done so well for them.

And yet there are instances where the humans cooperate with Xenos to face a shared enemy. Same should be true for Eldrad. He also wasn't too proud to warn the Empire repeatedly about stuff like the Horus Heresy. And even if Eldrad is that arrogant (which I kind of can't believe, since at his age he should be wise enough to not underestimate the humans) he just can't afford to let that arrogance get the better of him. His actions are just irrational. And if we know one thing about Eldrad for sure then it is that he is very rational. He is just acting out-of-character in the booklet, sadly. :/
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   17/8/2016, 23:07

I had almost stopped hating the imperium so thoroughly until this book came and reminded me that these racist xenophobes are responsible for about 90 % of the universes problems and would rather kill someone for not being human than let them live 30 seconds longer and make the galaxy 25% nicer for everyone who isn't chaos.

These are not protagonists for any reasonable human being.

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