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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sat Aug 06 2016, 15:04

No, he isn't. He is just part of the formation.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sat Aug 06 2016, 15:29

In those pages he is listed as an HQ

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sat Aug 06 2016, 16:13

But look at the last pic. For all other models there is a paragraph like:

"Inariam's Spectre can be included in any Harlequin Formation that lists "Death Jester" as a part of its composition. Inariam's Spectre replaces one Death Jester" etc.

These lines are missing for Eldrad however. For him it is only written that he "has the Eldar Faction and allies as such as described in Warhammer 40K The Rules". So yes, he is listed as an HQ but he still is only an Eldar HQ. He just got "borrowed" for the Harlequin formation. :/
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sat Aug 06 2016, 17:54

Mmm. I do like that they've up ront clarified that thes enew named character units can take the place of existing units in Harlequin formations. I like that.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sat Aug 06 2016, 17:58

So basically, they still didn't give the Harlequins an HQ to use a force org chart, and Eldrad will still not be able to start the game in an Harlequin Transport (thanks to the FAQ Draft), nor can he take an Craftworld transport as a dedicated transport...

I'll be picking up the Death Masque when it is released at the local store. I can't pass up on the savings for the Harlequins and I wanted to expand my force of them anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sat Aug 06 2016, 19:11

I will ask the guys at my local club if someone will sell me their Harlequins from the box. I have no interest in the Spehs Mehrens but since I was thinking about getting some Clowns to ally with my Kabal this seems like a great opportunity. ^^
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sat Aug 06 2016, 19:42

@Causalis wrote:
I will ask the guys at my local club if someone will sell me their Harlequins from the box. I have no interest in the Spehs Mehrens but since I was thinking about getting some Clowns to ally with my Kabal this seems like a great opportunity. ^^

I'm thinking about using the Death Watch as body parts to place inside terrain, they are pretty much free at this price.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sat Aug 06 2016, 20:48

I think the only one of those datasheets I'd actually use is Iniriam's Spectre, he basically gains Shrouded for 5 pts. Interestingly the first Troop is 11pts cheaper than a similarly specced out standard Harlequin Troop unit would be, though the bikes and Voidweaver are strangely more expensive.

Given the complete lack of options for DT's I think I'd skip those character squads.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sat Aug 06 2016, 21:25

So, if you give the run and shoot squad Rising cresendo, will they be able to run, shoot, and charge?
If so, could you stick a Shadowseer with them and get the run and shoot benefit for her grenade launcher?

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sat Aug 06 2016, 23:17

My first thought is putting the spectre in my Cast of players deathstar for free shrouding to the whole unit.

Combined with dispersion field from the corsairs and fortune from eldar (this is an obscenely expensive star btw). Every single member now has a 2+ rerollable cover save....


I think I might be that guy...

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sun Aug 07 2016, 01:35

I don't like the harli formations and was hoping this would give the clowns a desperately needed HQ choice.

No HQ = no sale for me.

That being said I expect some great deals on ebay soon. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sun Aug 07 2016, 01:40

I agree, but I think the saving grace here is the ability to take them to replace formation requirements.

Thus a cast of players with the run and charge cast plus the jester for a unit with an average 16-17 inch threat range. (Crusader upping the average and helping them so exactly what a Harlie unit wants to do with minimal points investment.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sun Aug 07 2016, 10:24

Its still close to 300 pts which is not cheap but you are right, replacing the units in the cast is the way to go and if I was going to run harlies that's how ide do it.

Ill probably grab them super cheap on ebay in a months time and give them a whirl. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sun Aug 07 2016, 12:43

@The Red King wrote:
I agree, but I think the saving  grace here is the ability to take them to replace formation requirements.

Thus  a cast of players with the run and charge cast plus the jester for  a unit with an average 16-17 inch threat  range. (Crusader upping the average and helping them so exactly what a Harlie  unit wants to do with minimal points investment.
Which sounds great until you realise that fully half of that Troop unit is completely un-upgraded, including the Troop Master. What a waste.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sun Aug 07 2016, 12:49

Well, as I predicted, that was not something to be proud or hyped about. Kind of dissapointed with new formations, units, but unusally, I'm glad that Eldrad is not HQ for harlies, that would mean that he will be in any freaking game, and that totally don't look cool.
But still I'm going to buy the box, because it's a great deal. 2 or 3 of this and I can even make a Masque!

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sun Aug 07 2016, 12:55

Yeah it makes me sad the charging squads sergeant is so bare, but with the old metal troupe I have this will give me exactly enough stuff to make a bare bones Harlie detachment. And I can run some different formations.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sun Aug 07 2016, 16:50

@Causalis wrote:
I will ask the guys at my local club if someone will sell me their Harlequins from the box. I have no interest in the Spehs Mehrens but since I was thinking about getting some Clowns to ally with my Kabal this seems like a great opportunity. ^^

That's exactly what I'm gonna do. In my areas people are rarely interested in the clowns so the price is a huge discount (demand and supply, y'know Wink).

Regarding the decurion-style formations though, I cannot find many reasons to use it instead of the masque detachment. Most of formation bonuses seem to be obtainable from the existing formations with more freedom of wargears and model numbers.

Not sure of bringing the EW Eldrad and getting formation-wide 6+++ Sad

EDIT: Wait, Death Jester conferring Shrouded seems pretty good.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sun Aug 07 2016, 17:19

A simple cast of players with only the 5 points extra death jester is a nice boost. They ignore terrain so there's no reason to not be getting a 3 or even 2+ cover save as you move up the board.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Mon Aug 08 2016, 02:35

Does Cast of Players confer crusader only to CWE and DE? The rule seems so, but it's bit strange they doesn't give a bonus to the allied harlequins Sad

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Mon Aug 08 2016, 02:47

The formation itself has the rule base if imy not mistaken.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Mon Aug 08 2016, 03:09

You're right, but my question was indicating other harlequin units near the cast of players Wink

And another question. Death Masque compositions (they're not even a formation) replaces a component of formations in Codex: Harlequins. Is it impossible then to use them in the masque detachment?

For example, I think it's not possible to use an inriam's spectre for an elite slot in the masque detachment.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Mon Aug 08 2016, 03:11

As presented, since I haven't had the chance to read the actual text yet, that would be a correct assessment.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Mon Aug 08 2016, 04:28

@lelith wrote:
You're right, but my question was indicating other harlequin units near the cast of players Wink

As cast of players says Eldar and Dark Eldar Factions I would say that CWE, Harlequins, Corsairs, Dark Eldar and Haemonculus Covens all get the crusader rules when within their bubble. I'm taking this interpretation because it doesn't specifically state Craftworld now does it state codex but factions. This however sounds like a good one to sit down and discuss with your gaming group.

@lelith wrote:
And another question. Death Masque compositions (they're not even a formation) replaces a component of formations in Codex: Harlequins. Is it impossible then to use them in the masque detachment?

For example, I think it's not possible to use an inriam's spectre for an elite slot in the masque detachment.

Good question, it does state specifically that you can replace one Death Jester that is listed as part of the formation... So I'm inclined to say, RAW are that you cannot take Inriam's Spectre as part of a Masque as it isn't listed as a component.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Mon Aug 08 2016, 06:57

This Inriam jester can be part of Cast of Players, giving them Shroud. Nice.

As for formations themsels pretty stupid that you cant select wargear. Their weapons are not optimal.
Also bad there isnt shadowseer there, harlies depend on him massively.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Mon Aug 08 2016, 09:21

There's nothing stopping you from using the new guys in a Masque detachment, because they're still Harlequin faction.
If we're talking RAW, then the Masque doesn't say that all units in it "must be from this Codex", it just says they must have the Harlequin faction. Which the new guys do.
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