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PostSubject: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Fri Jul 29 2016, 21:53



Moving this to News & Rumours, as it looks like it will soon become reality.  Gob.


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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sat Jul 30 2016, 21:48

According to Faeit 212 (so it must be true), this coming week will see the release of Eldar goodies, including the new Eldrad sprue, and Deathwatch. That seems like a bit too good to be true, but other recent rumours have the new monthly White Dwarf, starting with the 1st issue in September, reviewing Eldar and Deathwatch releases, so sometime in the month of August does not seem unreasonable.

So, Edrad, Craftworld Ulthwe, and obviously Harlequins are mixed up in it somehow, as well.

Stay tuned, my pretties.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sat Jul 30 2016, 22:48

Hopefully they're releasing a Harlequin HQ unit so I can use the damn things without having to stick to their stupid formations!

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Sat Jul 30 2016, 22:57

@Count Adhemar wrote:
Hopefully they're releasing a Harlequin HQ unit so I can use the damn things without having to stick to their stupid formations!

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Mon Aug 01 2016, 00:55

As there is a hint at the Eldar and probably works into the this:

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Mon Aug 01 2016, 15:14

Ya it's death watch.  Looks like a stand alone game not unlike overkill but with harlequins this time.

Might be a cheap way to build up a harlie army - I'm betting GW overproduced these sprues.

Besides the deathwatch (12) models it comes with including a dread - You get

Eldrad
12 players
Death Jester
Voidweaver
2 skyweavers and....
a transfer sheet.

Probably in the $150 range though.

I guess we have to wait for the full deathwatch release to see their new flyer.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Mon Aug 01 2016, 15:18

@stilgar27 wrote:
Might be a cheap way to build up a harlie army - I'm betting GW overproduced these sprues.

By not having an HQ choice and having a pretty big formation or detachment I think they discouraged people from buying more than a token force of 'Quins. Personally I've only bought 3 character models from the new range. With an HQ unit I would also have purchased that HQ plus at least 2 Troupes plus transports and some Skyweavers.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Mon Aug 01 2016, 15:20

It's true - I've pretty much never fielded harlies since they got their own codex and have none of the new models (but tons of the old metal ones for some reason).

A lot of these "mini" codices from 6th edition need a revamp.  I'm not really sure why they haven't made the effort, it's not like there is a lot in the harlie, inquisition, scions, etc books.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Mon Aug 01 2016, 16:34

I really hope that they come out with some HQ choise for Harlies, but no Uriel or Eldrad - there always been some Masque (Troupe) Master in the fluff (like in Apocalyplse formation), why not to come up with something like that? It also look like a waste and a wierd thing to see Eldrad as an HQ for clowns in the first place...
And to be honest, I'm not tha exited to hear about new box, I doubt it will worth it, but time will show.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 01:00

So Eldar to be squatted or just all three destroyed and replaced with a new race born from their death that can be trademarked?



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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 01:19

Nah, don't think so. The Rhana Dandra has been a thing since the eighties (It even was on the Inquisition War trilogy IIRC).

In fact, I feel that it points out to the opposite, some kind of way to "twist" the Rhana Dandra and the "death of all eldar". After all, there have always been some sceptic to that prophecy. Also, the whole Ynnead thing could be also tricked into happening without the whole Eldar race dying.

If an "squat" would ever happen, at least following the Rhana Dandra or the Ynnead thing, I think it would happen on the Craftworld eldars, as they are the one with the Infinite circuit after all. At the same time, I could see a resurgence of the Exodites, as a new Eldar god would be born. The Harlequins shouldn't die either, as Cerogath is a thing, and I could see it pairing with the new guy.

But the Tru Kin seem screwed nonetheless. Not because of anything, but because the whole autodestructive thing, that demon door that appeared on Commoragh on 7e Codex, and some kind of stagnation on them. I could also see them not quite disappearing, but Vect doing so, which could shake the whole status quo of the Dark Eldar quite a bit, while keeping their essence.

Although all this would require GW to be competent for once.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 03:46

Boom.

Eldrad helps the Harlies unleash the cunning plan to smash Slaanesh. Slaanesh's demise is echoed throughout the realms, and neatly explains why She is gone from Age of Sigmar.

Without the drain of Slaanesh on the Dark Kin, a new Eldar apotheosis is possible. Craftworlders, Dark Kin and Harlequins join together under the banner of the Laughing God in some kind of new post-Eldar society.

They become known as the Aelfdar.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 06:52

@Creeping Darkness wrote:
They become known as the Aelfdar.

I've been curious about something since all this AoS nonsense came out. If GW found a 3rd party manufacturer making, for example, a Dark Aeldar model, do their lawyers feel that would protect the 3rd party from being sued for breach of copyright?

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 09:20

I think its more about them being able to copyright and protect their own IP then anything

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 09:29

@Massaen wrote:
I think its more about them being able to copyright and protect their own IP then anything

I know. My point is that it wouldn't work if a 3rd party tried something so pathetic so why do they think it will work if they try it? Adding an A in front of Elf doesn't change anything.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 10:06

I quite like seeing the term Rhana Dandra being used.
VBut I really, really hope this isn't going to lead to a "mashing the Eldar together" thing. That would be horrible.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 10:26

@Squidmaster wrote:
I quite like seeing the term Rhana Dandra being used.
VBut I really, really hope this isn't going to lead to a "mashing the Eldar together" thing. That would be horrible.

Sadly it wouldn't surprise me. GW logic will see that DE and Harlequins aren't selling well but Craftworlds are. Solution? Bundle the DE and 'Quins into the Craftworlds! Never mind looking into why they aren't selling.

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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 10:31

@Count Adhemar wrote:
@Squidmaster wrote:
I quite like seeing the term Rhana Dandra being used.
VBut I really, really hope this isn't going to lead to a "mashing the Eldar together" thing. That would be horrible.

Sadly it wouldn't surprise me. GW logic will see that DE and Harlequins aren't selling well but Craftworlds are. Solution? Bundle the DE and 'Quins into the Craftworlds! Never mind looking into why they aren't selling.


Annoyingly true.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 11:40

I suppose a modified dictionary word is slightly more trademark-able than an unmodified one?

Looking forward to 16th ed AoS and the mighty Aeoooiaelfs.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 12:07

Ultimately, like everything, we will have to wait and see. However, speculation is fun, so I'll throw my thoughts in too.

Even though I'm abhorrent of change (not much of a Tzeentch fan) I am interested at the concept of the timeline progressing. The Rhana Dandra is the 'end times' really, so if they fully go into that then it will be progression. Although Eldrad should be dead at that point unless they are going to retcon some of the 13th Black Crusade. It is mentioned somewhere that Cegorach once stole souls away from Slaanesh as a joke, so maybe Cegorach did the same with Eldrad and that is why he is rolling around with Harlequins?

I don't like the idea of the Aelfdar like the silly term for elves in AoS. It's not because I don't want to have a single Eldar army, though. I would rather it remained grimdark, have all the Eldar die horrifically than have them all reconcile their differences and join together in one group of hopeful space elves. I just don't see them joining together as being very grimdark, although if GW goes down that path I hope they prove me wrong. If they don't I'll just stick with current 40k.

I do understand it from the IP perspective.


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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 14:44

@Count Adhemar wrote:
My point is that it wouldn't work if a 3rd party tried something so pathetic so why do they think it will work if they try it? Adding an A in front of Elf doesn't change anything.

In my experience, the "I'm on top - so let's change the rules so no-one else will ever be" strategy is actually a pretty desperate sign.  To me at least, it means they've given up on being the best in the industry and are opting for stagnation instead.  Things do seem to have improved a bit since "the rebrandening", so hopefully strategies have too.

This mess was particularly absurd in GW's case though where "their" entire intellectual properties consist of a hodge-podge of other sources.  
Just imagine if Frank Herbert's estate was as litigious as GW is:
 
All my ranting aside - I don't know if anyone has read the "Beast Arises" series, but it includes some JJ Abrams style alternate time line rebooting.  To be honest, I think it's just a way to shoe horn in why grav weapons suddenly exist in M31-M41, but I'm hoping they ultimately use it to reboot the orks as well.

I mention it for a few reasons though.   1) GW has roughly 9,000 years yet to flesh out, and that's a lot of time to play around with regardless of what is happening "now".  Even then, we know how the heresy ended, and people still play the game.  2) Harlequins play a role in the story and end up... in some interesting places.  There are also some "cultural exchange" type conversations between a shadow seer and some members of the inquisition which seem to hint at some end times stuff (given these events were almost 10,000 years previous).  3) More easily than in fantasy - the sci-fi element allows GW to go back and modify things if they need to later.  This should prohibit 40k - even after an "end time" - from degrading into an AOS style dumpster fire.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 15:20

Unifying all Eldar together would tickle me pink.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 16:06

@Creeping Darkness wrote:
Boom.

Eldrad helps the Harlies unleash the cunning plan to smash Slaanesh. Slaanesh's demise is echoed throughout the realms, and neatly explains why She is gone from Age of Sigmar.

Without the drain of Slaanesh on the Dark Kin, a new Eldar apotheosis is possible. Craftworlders, Dark Kin and Harlequins join together under the banner of the Laughing God in some kind of new post-Eldar society.

They become known as the Aelfdar.

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Slaanesh is not gone, just being held captive by Malerion and likely to be a major plot point in the near future for AoS.
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PostSubject: Re: A place for Eldrad's sprue and Cheap Harlequins   Tue Aug 02 2016, 16:07

@stilgar27 wrote:
It's true - I've pretty much never fielded harlies since they got their own codex and have none of the new models (but tons of the old metal ones for some reason).

A lot of these "mini" codices from 6th edition need a revamp.  I'm not really sure why they haven't made the effort, it's not like there is a lot in the harlie, inquisition, scions, etc books.
Harlequins, and I think Scions, are from 7th. Inquisition I think is the only mini codex from 6th and thats download only.
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