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PostSubject: Ravager or Kabalite squad with DL?   Thu Jun 30 2016, 16:24

Ok, hear me out here...

A Ravager with three lances is cheaper than a kabalite warrior squad of ten with a dark lance in a lanced raider by about 35 points, and has one more DL shot BUT:

-the kabalites have obsec in a CAD.
-the kabalites can freely move 12 inches and fire every turn because they only have two lances to fire
-the kabalites can multi-target (raider fires one way, kabalites the other)
- if forced to change roles, poison.

What do you think? A viable alternative to fielding raiders? is obsec worth 35 points more and the loss of a DL shot? Let's not forget you could field these kabalites in the new purge coterie!
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PostSubject: Re: Ravager or Kabalite squad with DL?   Thu Jun 30 2016, 16:26

Of course, in a purge coterie I guess they would lose obsec which is the nicest thing...
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PostSubject: Re: Ravager or Kabalite squad with DL?   Thu Jun 30 2016, 16:34

Well you can't move 12 inches freely because per FAQ more than a 6 inch move forces passengers to shoot snap shots. A stationary raider with night shields on an objective might be an option. But I'd rather have the extra shot, mobility, and be a cheaper unit. I like the outside the box approach though

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PostSubject: Re: Ravager or Kabalite squad with DL?   Thu Jun 30 2016, 16:43

@RedRegicide wrote:
Well you can't move 12 inches freely because per FAQ more than a 6 inch move forces passengers to shoot snap shots.

The Dark Lance is heavy anyway so any move is forcing snap shots.

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PostSubject: Re: Ravager or Kabalite squad with DL?   Thu Jun 30 2016, 17:34

I read here that 5 Warriors with 1 Blaster (Assault version of Dark Lance but with only 18" range, can fire normally after moving, unlike the Dark Lance) embarked on a Venom with 1 extra Splinter Cannon (always take the extra cannon) are quite popular.

I guess at 120 points it's a bit cheaper than a Ravager and more versatile, but only has one Lance shot, the Blaster. Twelve shots poison at 36" are none too shabby though.

Also Blaster needs only 5 Warriors total to become available, not 10 like the Dark Lance, so you could put 5 Warriors + Blaster on a Raider + Dark Lance, at 115 points also cheaper than a Ravager and 2 Lance shots, even though one is shorter ranged.

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PostSubject: Re: Ravager or Kabalite squad with DL?   Thu Jun 30 2016, 18:35

Keep in mind that Ravagers are AV 11 to the Raider AV 10.
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PostSubject: Re: Ravager or Kabalite squad with DL?   Thu Jun 30 2016, 18:37

That av 11 makes a huge difference too.

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PostSubject: Re: Ravager or Kabalite squad with DL?   Thu Jun 30 2016, 21:47

Looks like the Ravager wins! Still, it can be fun to evaluate non conventional choices now and then Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Ravager or Kabalite squad with DL?   Thu Jun 30 2016, 23:02

In 3rd we could have a single lance between 5 Warriors, or 2 of them between 10. In 5th, we could put 3 Trueborn with 2 Dark Lances (Lanceborn), potentially in a raider, as a cheap, wannabe Ravager.

Ahh... reminiscing about our old codexes.

I think Dark Lances on infantry have gotten progressively worse. Anytime you consider playing Dark Lances on infantry, you're probably better off playing Blasterborn; 5 Trueborn toting 4 Blasters in a transport. They have much more mobility since their guns are assault, and the raw quantity & cost of weapons per model works out much better for them.

Warriors in a Lance Raider with a single Blaster can work. That option would rack up 115 pts, is fairly mobile, has two S8 AP2 shots which can fire independently, and still retains Obsec (on two units). I tend to avoid Blasters altogether if I'm playing Warriors in Venoms though.

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