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PostSubject: 1850 tourney list   Sun Jun 26 2016, 03:10

Nothing fancy here, quick and dirty and too the point
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3 medusae 75
Venom 65
5x5 Warriors 200
5 venoms 325
3 ravagers 330
3x5 scourge 4 heatlances ea 360

Grotesquerie
Haemonculus wwp 105
3 grotesques Abby agonizer 140
Raider 55
3 grotesques Abby agonizer 140
Raider 55

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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Sun Jun 26 2016, 05:19

I don't normally say this: I think I like it just as it is. Very Happy

I assume the WWP haemonculus is going with the medusas?

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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Sun Jun 26 2016, 05:37

Yes he is web waying them in their venom for maximum effectiveness and that means a lot from you, I recognize your commentary on almost every post haha
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Sun Jun 26 2016, 05:49

Yeah, I generally like the list. Pure DE in general has a problem taking down gargantuan creatures, so they will pose a problem, but aside from that, I think the list is solid. So it should work well in any format where gargantuan/superheavy LoWs aren't allowed.

If playing in a format that allows them, I might consider swapping out 1 or 2 of the units of heat lances for haywire blasters, as the haywire blasters will be far more effective against superheavy tanks and imperial knights from a greater distance, regardless of facing.

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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Sun Jun 26 2016, 05:51

That's a lot of Disintegrators. Just the Scourges to deal with tanks?


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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Sun Jun 26 2016, 06:02

Yep just the scourge, easy enough to take 2 heat lance squads and 1 hwb squad. The volume of ap2 is devastating and it can glance light vehicles at least, the dissie ravagers are punishing in my opinion, especially as a counter alpha strike if they hide in reserve and drive on
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Sun Jun 26 2016, 18:28

Hrm, actually, I missed that the first time around. I saw the dissies on the raiders, but mistakenly assumed you had DLs on the ravagers. I'd put DLs on the ravagers.

There are several ways to come up with the points, but if it were me, I'd probably just drop 2 medusas.


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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Sun Jun 26 2016, 18:57

Hmm at that point might as well drop them replace with a lhamaean in a venom and figure out a new role for the haemonculus
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Sun Jun 26 2016, 19:13

Maybe so. But a precision-placed S4 AP3 template in a dual cannon venom isn't bad, though. I haven't run the math, but I suspect you'd get pretty close to wiping out a squad of 5 space marines in cover with it.

That said, if you don't want to run that, it DOES give you a potential 50 free points if you take a single lhamean and drop the WWP, with the 5 points left from before that. Which, subsequently is enough points to swap out the lhamean + venom for a Succubus w/Archite Glaive, Haywire Grenade & Armour of Misery, and a Scissorhand for your Haemonculus. Then just run them one in each grot squad.

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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Sun Jun 26 2016, 20:23

I must say I'm not a huge fan of HL Scourges. I tried them many time but they always seem to scatter out of melta range. I see why they are appealing though : better than Blasters at killing vehicles (which tend to be a problem for DE) but much better than HWB if there are no vehicles to tackle. It's just that really, they are really hit or miss. However, you are running 3 units while I never tried more than 1 so they may perform better that way.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Mon Jun 27 2016, 18:24

I would upgrade the abbies to have scissor hands, dropping the agonizers, giving you some points back in the process. This may be meta dependent but I run into vehicle heavy lists such as Imperial Knights all the time and abbies with scissorhands are no joke at tank hunting. Also giving you an a better chance against 2+ armor saves.

I'm really torn on the dissy ravagers, I really really want to run mine that way but find myself lacking in early transport popping.

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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Mon Jun 27 2016, 18:56

I actually took the time to run the numbers on dissies vs. splinter cannons once. Honestly, the splinter cannons are better at killing everything except 2+ armour, and the dissies only slightly win in that category, if I remember correctly. It's possible that it was slightly better at 3+ though, and significant at 2+. I don't have time to do the math again at the moment.

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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Mon Jun 27 2016, 19:29

So it's better to take more venoms and 3 lance ravagers essentially
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Mon Jun 27 2016, 20:19

Right.

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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Mon Jun 27 2016, 20:50

Betray I have amended the list to this now

De cad
3 medusae 75
Venom 65
5x5 Warriors with a blaster each 275
5 venoms 325
3 ravagers 3 lances each 375
2x5 scourge 4 heat lances each 240

Grotesquerie 495
Haemonculus wwp
3 grotesques Abby agonizer
Raider
3 grotesques Abby agonizer
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tourney list   Mon Jun 27 2016, 22:20

I generally don't like getting blasters on the warrior squads because I think it makes them inefficient, but the options to use the points elsewhere aren't incredible.

Overall, I think the list looks pretty good, but I'd personally probably either drop the blasters to add a unit of reavers with caltrops and heat lance, or I'd drop the blasters along with 1 unit of kabalites to grab a unit of haywire scourges and a unit of mandrakes(simply due to having enough points).

But that is mostly due to personal preference for specialized units and efficiency than anything else. I can't say with certainty in this case that dropping the blasters would be better, so go with what feels best to you, and let us know how it goes! Wink

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