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Lupefi
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Sat Jun 18 2016, 18:44

Damn. Well i guess ill be picking up the kabalites first since the started set is such a deal. 55 to 65 usd for all that is worth it
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Sat Jun 18 2016, 20:45

It's nuts!

Start Collecting is £50.00 in the UK & the contents are £78.50 on GW website seperately.

But, I can already find it for £37.50 online!!

3rd party stores FTW!
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Sat Jun 18 2016, 20:46

Where is it 37????
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Sat Jun 18 2016, 21:13

I am new to the forum so not sure on the rules regards posting links to other sites but I can tell you the store is in central London, which should be enough for you to find it yourself. They aren't releasing the set until 25th June though.

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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Sat Jun 18 2016, 21:24

Ahh im in the States anyways. Its not worth it to save five bucks when ill be paying 15 more in shipping. Thanks though
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Sun Jun 19 2016, 12:36

@Rewind wrote:
Is it save to assume, that any models in the Start Collecting box, won't be updated at any point this year then?

That is assuming we do have any models or upgraded boxes coming this year.....

Not necessarily. We might get another (better) Archon in the form of a special character. The rest doesn't really need an update anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Sun Jun 19 2016, 20:41

@Lupefi wrote:
Where is it 37????

Triple Helix Gaming

http://www.triplehelixwargames.co.uk/product/start-collecting-dark-eldar/

Enjoy the savings!


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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Sun Jun 19 2016, 21:04

Do they ship to the us?
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Sun Jun 19 2016, 21:12

@Lupefi wrote:
Do they ship to the us?

Just a head's up dude...37.50 pounds is about 55 American dollars. Similar to a deal you'd find here. Or really most places.


Not sure if you're thinking that was 37.50 dollars, but we aren't getting a deal that insane.
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Sun Jun 19 2016, 21:14

37.50 euro is 42 usd according to googles most recent conversion table.
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Sun Jun 19 2016, 21:52

@Lupefi wrote:
37.50 euro is 42 usd according to googles most recent conversion table.

Yes but the price given by Rewind was in £ (GBP) not Euros.

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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 18:18

I actually got to take an "inofficial pre-release" look at both the new formations' rules today at the store:

Dark Eldar
On each of his turns, the controling Pplayer can nominate a unit the Archon from this formation can draw a line of sight to. For the duration of this turn, the Kabalite Warriors from this formation have Prefered Enemy against that unit.

... meh? Neutral


Craftworld Eldar
On each of his turns, the controling player can nominate a unit the Farseer Skyrunner from this formation can draw a line of sight to. For the duration of this turn, the cannon of the Fire Prism from this formation is Twin-Linked against that unit.

Not really surprised. I'd call it Eldar Trickery, if it wouldn't feel rather like something Tau would do. Rolling Eyes


Your opinions?


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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 18:23

Oh boy, preferred enemy. So great!
We'll be top tier for sure!

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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 18:36

Well, I can't say I'm disappointed.
At least we have twice as many formations as before.

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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 20:58

no +1 to run moves..... damnit! and i thought we'd be ace
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 21:20

PE is actually quite strong, particularly if you have a SC Kabbie or Trueborn upgrade, although this is somewhat countered by the presence of splinter racks on the raider.

Normal math vs a random target is 4/6 * 1/2 = 33% chance of wounding per splinter shot.
Revised math vs a random target is (4/6 + 1/6*4/6) * (1/2 + 1/6*1/2) = 45.37% chance of wounding per splinter shot.

Assuming 9 man kabalite squad (1 sc) on rackless raider w/ archon shooting at tactical marines in RF range.

* No Formation = 2.420 unsaved wounds + 1.33 wounds from dissie raider.
* Formation = 3.327 unsaved wounds + 1.33 wounds from dissie raider.

Confirmation on trueborn being allowed?
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 21:39

@jdmflcl wrote:


Assuming 9 man kabalite squad (1 sc) on rackless raider w/ archon shooting at tactical marines in RF range.

9 Warriors can't take a Splinter Cannon. 10 unlocks it, but remember the Archon can take his Venom or he'll be in whatever other squad you usually place your Archon.

As for the formation rule I like it because its fluffy, but in game I don't know how huge it will be. I tend to roll heaps of 1s though so maybe I'll run. But I don't know if it's really worth the loss of ObSec.....assuming they aren't ofcourse

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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 21:40

Good point. What is the verdict on upgrading Kabbies to Trueborn ala Kabalite Raiding party? PE Blaster/Splinterborn would be pretty strong.
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 21:41

@Rokuro wrote:
I actually got to take an "inofficial pre-release" look at both the new formations' rules today at the store:

Did you by any chance get to see what the minimum requirments are for this formation?

Warriors HAVE to take Raider etc?

Could easily provide the Archon with a Venom from another CAD & let him 'point' targets for a Raider full of Warriors with Splinter Racks? Twin-linked, Prefered Enemy?

My biggest issue however, as a 'Start Collecting' box it isn't actually very helpful getting a noob to 500pts:

498 of DE
Start Collect Formation (203)
Archon (60)
5 x Warriors, Dis. Cannon Raider (95)
3 x Reavers (48)
DE CAD (295)
Lhamean, Cannon Venom (75)
5 x Warrior, Syberite (HQ), Cannon Venom (115)
5 x Warrior, Cannon Venom (105)

To bring even the most basic DE CAD, you have to use so many points, you can only run the very bare essentials on the formation.

Ideally you want points to make the unit in the Raider bigger to make use of the formation rule & I kind of like the idea of splinter racks here too.

Archon has no upgrades at all.

Raider can't even bring 1 AT weapon Sad

No caltrops on the Reavers, which just makes me sad.

So, I just end up dropping the formation, keeping the Reavers & adding a Ravager to get back to my standard 500.
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 21:52

Preferred Enemy! Awesome!
Fat lot of good that will do because we had to jink the turn prior because a scout with a bolt pistol pointed it at our "tank"



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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 22:04

Seems the Eldar rule is much stronger than the Deldar one. Surprise surprise!

None of the start collecting formations list minimum sizes on the squads you can take so it seems pretty likely that you can drop half the kabalite squad and stick the Archon in the raider too. As Trueborn are an upgrade to kabalites then you should be able to make Blasterborn of them. Does this open up the possibility for webway portaling blasterborn? 5 blasters exactly where you need them re-rolling 1's to hit? That's 4 statistical hits with a close to 50/50 chance for all 5 to strike. Then you have the lance on the raider to boot.


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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 22:08

If it's the exact text as presented then wouldn't we have to get out of the raider in order to draw direct line of sight to the archon?
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 22:12

I don't believe so. The Archon can draw line of sight from Fire Points of a vehicle he's embarked in, can't be?
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 22:14

It's craptastic!

Is anyone surprised? Just more proof GW is utterly clueless (or just lazy) when it comes to DE.

I don't think we'll get a new dex until after 8th ed and most likely all the pointy ears will be combined in one book AoS style. Sad Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Start Collecting! Dark Eldar incoming!   Tue Jun 21 2016, 22:30

Isn't that what DE basically are these days? (Pre-FAQ)
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