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Which of the three lists do you think is the best chance at victory?
List One (Eldar CAD, CTC, Dark Artisan)
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List Two (Eldar CAD, Grotesquerie, Dark Eldar CAD)
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 20% [ 1 ]
List Three (Seer Council, Corsairs CAD, Dark Eldar CAD)
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 60% [ 3 ]
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PostSubject: ITC list for Gen Con (1850)   Tue May 17 2016, 04:30

So, with the ITC event coming up at Gen Con, I'm looking to bring a Freakshow list to see how they fare.  To that end, I'd like it if the Dark City could help me get my crap together on this front.  I've thrown together three lists I can make with what I have.  Two of them have a little wiggle room, the third less so, but still has room to trim and rearrange.

Here is my criteria:
*All three detachments MUST contribute to the Freakshow element in some capacity.
*The list must qualify as a Dark Eldar list under ITC rules.  (There must be more points of Dark Eldar faction than any other.)
*I do not own any Wave Serpents (or Eldar vehicles at all beyond a single Wraithfighter/Crimson Hunter), Wraithknights, or Fortifications (except for an ADL and a Fortress of Redemption), and don't plan to buy any of those models specifically for this purpose.

Here is what I've played with so far--

List One (1747)
Eldar Combined Arms Detachment - 722
Farseer (Jetbike, Singing Spear) 120
Farseer (Jetbike, Singing Spear) 120

Windriders x3 (Scatterlasers x3) 81
Windriders x3 (Scatterlasers x3) 81

Hemlock Wraithfighter 185
Shadow Spectres x3 (Exarch-Prism Blaster, Shadow of Death) 135

Dark Eldar Covens Formation-Corpsethief Claw - 675
Talos (Ichor Injector, Heat Lance) 135
Talos (Ichor Injector, Heat Lance) 135
Talos (Ichor Injector, Heat Lance) 135
Talos (Ichor Injector, Heat Lance) 135
Talos (Ichor Injector, Heat Lance) 135

Dark Eldar Covens Formation-Dark Artisan - 350
Haemonculus (Warlord, Scissorhand, Vexator Mask) 90
Talos (Ichor Injector, Heat Lance) 135
Cronos (Spirit Probe) 125



List Two (1747)
Eldar Combined Arms Detachment - 722
Farseer (Jetbike, Singing Spear) 120
Farseer (Jetbike, Singing Spear) 120

Windriders x3 (Scatterlasers x3) 81
Windriders x3 (Scatterlasers x3) 81

Hemlock Wraithfighter 185
Shadow Spectres x3 (Exarch-Prism Blaster, Shadow of Death) 135

Dark Eldar Formation-Grotesquerie - 550
Haemonculus (Vexator Mask, Scissorhand) 90
Grotesques x4 (Aberration, Scissorhand, Raider with Dark Lance and Shock Prow) 230
Grotesques x4 (Aberration, Scissorhand, Raider with Dark Lance and Shock Prow) 230

Dark Eldar Combined Arms Detachment - 475
Succubus (Warlord, Archite Glaive, Haywire Grenades, Armor of Misery) 115

Warriors x5 (Blaster, Venom with dual Splinter Cannon) 120
Warriors x5 (Blaster, Venom with dual Splinter Cannon) 120
Warriors x5 (Blaster, Venom with dual Splinter Cannon) 120



List Three (1785)
Eldar Formation Detachment-Seer Council - 625
Farseer (Jetbike, Singing Spear) 120
Farseer (Jetbike, Singing Spear) 120
Warlock Conclave x7 (Jetbikes x7, Singing Spear x7) 385

Corsair Combined Arms Detachment - 400
Corsair Prince (Jetbike, Shadowfield, Mask of Secrets) 130

Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90

Dark Eldar Allied Detachment - 760
Succubus (Warlord, Archite Glaive, Haywire Grenades, Armor of Misery, Webway Portal) 150

Warriors x5 (Blaster, Venom with dual Splinter Cannon) 120
Warriors x5 (Blaster, Venom with dual Splinter Cannon) 120

Grotesques x10 (Aberration, Scissorhand)



Which list do you thinkt stands the best chance of succeeding?  All the lists have a few points for wiggle room


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PostSubject: Re: ITC list for Gen Con (1850)   Tue May 17 2016, 09:43

I like list one but it might be a big vulnerable to grav weaponry. Other than that I'd like to see number one in action.

I can't really decide if I like number two or three better because I'm not experienced regarding corsair units. But somehow I like the ten grotesques and succubus über unit. Maybe somehow get a chronos nearby though..

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PostSubject: Re: ITC list for Gen Con (1850)   Tue May 17 2016, 13:49

I like list 2 myself. As cpt said list one is going to be very vunerable to Grav weapons. List 3, I really don't like putting that many points into something like that. But that is just me.
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PostSubject: Re: ITC list for Gen Con (1850)   Tue May 17 2016, 14:12

Which part of list three I'd the party you don't like putting that many points in, out of curiosity?
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PostSubject: Re: ITC list for Gen Con (1850)   Tue May 17 2016, 14:41

I assume he's talking about the ten grotesques. I actually like them. It's something the opposition won't be used to fight.

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PostSubject: Re: ITC list for Gen Con (1850)   Tue May 17 2016, 14:44

Actually no, I wish I had the 10 Grotestques. Smile I was referring to the sear council. I never really like phycics and thought the were not worth the extra points. You are putting a lot of points into a unit that might get powers that would be somewhat useful.
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PostSubject: Re: ITC list for Gen Con (1850)   Tue May 17 2016, 14:59

@Jimsolo wrote:
Which part of list three I'd the party you don't like putting that many points in, out of curiosity?

10 Grotesques without the grotesquerie, in my opinion. The -1 leadership within 12 inches of 5 units is better than the -2 leadership within 6 inches of 1 model(armour of misery), I think. When you pair that with the fact that you get the OTHER benefits of the grotesquerie also, it's then no question, in my mind, which to go with.

Aside from that, of the lists available, I like list 3. I'd do list 3 like this:

Eldar Formation Detachment-Seer Council - 625
Farseer (Jetbike, Singing Spear) 120
Farseer (Jetbike, Singing Spear) 120
Warlock Conclave x7 (Jetbikes x7, Singing Spear x7) 385

Corsair Combined Arms Detachment - 670
Corsair Prince (Jetbike, Shadowfield, Mask of Secrets) 130

Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90

Grotesquerie - 460
Haemonculus 70
2x 3 Grotesques w/ Aberration, Agoniser in a raider 390

This leaves you 95 points of wiggle room that I'd probably use to give the prince a decent weapon, and grab a hornet with dual pulse lasers for some more AT.

EDIT: I know you like the scissorhand on your aberations sometimes. If you swapped out 1 agoniser for a scissorhand on 1 of the 2 aberrations, you'd be able to get a void sabre on your prince, plus a dual pulse laser hornet.

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PostSubject: Re: ITC list for Gen Con (1850)   Tue May 17 2016, 18:20

@mrmagoo wrote:
Actually no,  I wish I had the 10 Grotestques.  Smile  I was referring to the sear council.   I never really like phycics and thought the were not worth the extra points.   You are putting a lot of points into a unit that might get powers that would be somewhat useful.

Unfortunately, you kind of need them to make the Freakshow angle stick.

Without them there is no way to take advantage of the Ld negs you're imposing.

Fortunately, since at least one Farseer would roll on Telepathy, you're guaranteed to get something good. Psychic Shriek, the workhorse of the list, is a lock, and 3/6 remaining powers are Ld dependent attack forms. Of the 3 that aren't, 2 are defensive powers that are great to have. The only power left is Mental Fortitude, and while it might be the least preferable, with the unreliable Ld of the Dark Eldar and Corsair allies it's almost certain to be a useful card to hold.

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@Jimsolo wrote:
Which part of list three I'd the party you don't like putting that many points in, out of curiosity?

10 Grotesques without the grotesquerie, in my opinion. The -1 leadership within 12 inches of 5 units is better than the -2 leadership within 6 inches of 1 model(armour of misery), I think. When you pair that with the fact that you get the OTHER benefits of the grotesquerie also, it's then no question, in my mind, which to go with.

Aside from that, of the lists available, I like list 3. I'd do list 3 like this:

Eldar Formation Detachment-Seer Council - 625
Farseer (Jetbike, Singing Spear) 120
Farseer (Jetbike, Singing Spear) 120
Warlock Conclave x7 (Jetbikes x7, Singing Spear x7) 385

Corsair Combined Arms Detachment - 670
Corsair Prince (Jetbike, Shadowfield, Mask of Secrets) 130

Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90

Grotesquerie - 460
Haemonculus 70
2x 3 Grotesques w/ Aberration, Agoniser in a raider 390

This leaves you 95 points of wiggle room that I'd probably use to give the prince a decent weapon, and grab a hornet with dual pulse lasers for some more AT.

EDIT: I know you like the scissorhand on your aberations sometimes. If you swapped out 1 agoniser for a scissorhand on 1 of the 2 aberrations, you'd be able to get a void sabre on your prince, plus a dual pulse laser hornet.

Unfortunately, I don't own any Hornets. (More's the pity!) The only other problem is points: I need to have more points in DE/Covens than any other single faction to keep it a DE list. I think the only other problem I have is that I can't field that many cloud dancers (I believe I have either 12 or 15 reavers available for conversion at this point).

I DO like the idea of dumping the CAD for a Grotesquerie, though. I'll have to see if there's a way to make it work points-wise. (I wonder if a Covenite Coterie detachment would work, if that's the only way to get the points in correctly.)
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PostSubject: Re: ITC list for Gen Con (1850)   Tue May 17 2016, 18:24

What restrictions do you have regarding the number of formations etc?

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PostSubject: Re: ITC list for Gen Con (1850)   Tue May 17 2016, 19:49

ITC is 3 formations/detachments, only allowed to duplicate a detachment a maximum of once.

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PostSubject: Re: ITC list for Gen Con (1850)   Tue May 17 2016, 20:13

@CptMetal wrote:
What restrictions do you have regarding the number of formations etc?

ITC is 3 formations/detachments, only allowed to duplicate a detachment a maximum of once.

@Jimsolo wrote:

I DO like the idea of dumping the CAD for a Grotesquerie, though. I'll have to see if there's a way to make it work points-wise. (I wonder if a Covenite Coterie detachment would work, if that's the only way to get the points in correctly.)

If you use this as your base, you can add 200 points worth of corsair units and have it still be considered a DE list per ITC rules.

Eldar Formation Detachment-Seer Council - 625
Farseer (Jetbike, Singing Spear) 120
Farseer (Jetbike, Singing Spear) 120
Warlock Conclave x7 (Jetbikes x7, Singing Spear x7) 385

Corsair Combined Arms Detachment - 400
Corsair Prince (Jetbike, Shadowfield, Mask of Secrets) 130

Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90
Cloud Dancers x3 (Scatter Lasers x3) 90

Grotesquerie - 625
Haemonculus w/Vexator Mask, Syndriq's Sump & Scissorhand 100
1x 4 Grotesques w/ Aberration, Agoniser in a raider w/night shields 245
1x 5 Grotesques w/ Aberration, Agoniser in a raider w/night shields 280

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PostSubject: Re: ITC list for Gen Con (1850)   Tue May 17 2016, 20:57

What's the difference between a cloud dancer and a scatter bike?

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PostSubject: Re: ITC list for Gen Con (1850)   Tue May 17 2016, 21:41

@CptMetal wrote:
What's the difference between a cloud dancer and a scatter bike?

Cloud dancers are 3 points more expensive, have the reckless abandon rule, and have more weapon options.

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