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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 19:01

@Myrvn wrote:
Curious in the good vs evil thing. Is any faction actually good?

Not really.

The salamanders are most people's first response, but in the end they're just another tool of the regime.

There are some (non-playable) neutral forces in the 40k universe.  The hrud and eldar exodites come to mind, as do the remnants of the old ones.  The harlequins are something of a neutral - as is Nurgle (in his own way).  To make things even more complicated, some of the corrupt/renegade marine chapters have a truer moral compass than many loyalists (soul drinkers are the most fluffed out).

40k really isn't about good guys, it's about the bad guys you most associate with.
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 19:33

The alpha Legion are the good guys. Period.

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 19:39

Nah, we're the good guys - we just have a really bad PR department. pirat
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 21:08

I think the mistake here is that everybody is taking the stereotypes too literal. Yes the Imperium is opressive and brutal. But not every Planet is a terror regime. Yes Space Marines are remorseless killers but not every Chapter/Squad. We have a lot of occasions where Chapters speak out against the methods of an imperial representative (Logan Grimnar at Armageddon, Uriel Ventris at the destruction of Chordelis, Inquisitor Thaddeus hunting the Soul Drinkers,..) or even actively fighting it.

A lot of stories are composed around these "good guys".
But yes... in the greater scheme of the universe every race is racist and driven by pragmatism.
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 21:19

Well said

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 23:49

@The Shredder wrote:
Nah, we're the good guys - we just have a really bad PR department. pirat

I guess in a way we're good since we need to torture and kill to live.
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Thu Dec 31 2015, 00:40

We really don't we're just too damn self interested to recognize that abject terror-fueled pain is not the only source of sensation we could maintain an existence on. Our fear of she-who-thirsts keeps us from exploring other experiences that could lead to eternal life.
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Thu Dec 31 2015, 10:12

@amorrowlyday wrote:
We really don't we're just too damn self interested to recognize that abject terror-fueled pain is not the only source of sensation we could maintain an existence on. Our fear of she-who-thirsts keeps us from exploring other experiences that could lead to eternal life.

You could probably use that as the mindset for an experiment-y Archon or Haemonculus. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Fri Jan 01 2016, 06:22

Imperium is kinda good. So is Tau and eldar. Orc and chaos are mostly chaos-aligned. Necron are evil and tyranids are neutral.

But, to come back to the topic, I wonder if allying with imperial guards would be good, with a coven army. I imagine a grotesque frontline, backed with basilisks artillery. Maybe a dark artisan, or a corpsethief claw.
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Fri Jan 01 2016, 09:08

@amorrowlyday What other mind sets do you have in mind? My Kabal prefers to just steal bodies and do a soul swap.

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Fri Jan 01 2016, 10:00

What's a soul swap?
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Fri Jan 01 2016, 11:32

Did you read path of the dark Eldar? I don't want to spoil too much...
Or shall I?

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Fri Jan 01 2016, 11:41

@CptMetal wrote:
Did you read path of the dark Eldar? I don't want to spoil too much...
Or shall I?

Feel free. Aside from codices I don't generally read the GW books anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Sun Jan 03 2016, 10:46

@Count Adhemar wrote:
@killedbydeath wrote:
My question to you, what DE would you keep if you can take tau units? Maybe grotesques and razorwings have a spot. But is a warrior better than a fire warrior? Is a ravager better than broadsides or hammerheads? I would fear my list would be tau with DE allies quickly...

Sadly that's the problem with almost any ally these days. They're pretty much all better than us so the sensible thing to do is to take the allies in place of the DE. But then you're not playing DE, which is what we all want to do!

I can write a DE list and then look at the Craftworlds codex and replace pretty much any DE unit with a Craftworld unit that is cheaper and better.

Thats why I ally with Harlequins. They complement us, not substitute us.
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Sun Jan 03 2016, 10:58

@BizarreShowbiz wrote:

Thats why I ally with Harlequins. They complement us, not substitute us.

Out of interest, which Harlequin units do you use?
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Sun Jan 03 2016, 12:33

@The Shredder wrote:
Out of interest, which Harlequin units do you use?

Masque detachment. Troupes with caress, Starweavers and Shadowseers. Oh, and Voidweaver, but becouse I dont really have a choice.

Helps a lot with units that DE struggle or simply cant deal with: vehicles, invisible units, gargantuan creatures, superheavies and cover abusive units.
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