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PostSubject: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 07:30

Does anyone every run a combination of tau and dark eldar ? Just curious to see what it strengths weaknesses, and overall effectiveness.
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 08:52

Tau? What reason can you think of to work with Tau?

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 09:02

Dark Eldar are equal opportunity enslavers! Tau slaves are no worse than humans.

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 09:05

But why giving them pulse weaponry and suits in that case? I get that they once fought side by side but the true kin betrayed them in the end.

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 09:10

Granted, if I'd captured a bunch of Fire Warriors, the first thing I'd have done is given their Pulse Rifles to my Warriors, their Photon Grenades to my Incubi and their EMP grenades to my Wyches but I'd still allow them to die in battle for me!

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 10:18

My question to you, what DE would you keep if you can take tau units? Maybe grotesques and razorwings have a spot. But is a warrior better than a fire warrior? Is a ravager better than broadsides or hammerheads? I would fear my list would be tau with DE allies quickly...
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 10:40

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My question to you, what DE would you keep if you can take tau units? Maybe grotesques and razorwings have a spot. But is a warrior better than a fire warrior? Is a ravager better than broadsides or hammerheads? I would fear my list would be tau with DE allies quickly...

Sadly that's the problem with almost any ally these days. They're pretty much all better than us so the sensible thing to do is to take the allies in place of the DE. But then you're not playing DE, which is what we all want to do!

I can write a DE list and then look at the Craftworlds codex and replace pretty much any DE unit with a Craftworld unit that is cheaper and better.

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 10:55

That's why I'm sceptical when it's about allies.

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 11:44

Yeah, I'm not sure Tau would really grant anything unique to DE. Maybe a single anti-air unit, with perhaps infiltrating Kroot and a deepstriking suicide commander to pay the HQ + Troops tax.
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 12:22

CptMetal wrote:
Tau? What reason can you think of to work with Tau?

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 13:05

lol
That's a good one! :-D

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 13:40

On a more serious note, could you maybe do some conversions? Maybe have gun-toting, jet-pack Grotesques in place of Crisis Suits and Broadsides.

For Fire Warriors, maybe model them with some kind of parasites or machines attached to their necks/heads, like they're being mind-controlled?

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Sadly that's the problem with almost any ally these days. They're pretty much all better than us so the sensible thing to do is to take the allies in place of the DE. But then you're not playing DE, which is what we all want to do!

I can write a DE list and then look at the Craftworlds codex and replace pretty much any DE unit with a Craftworld unit that is cheaper and better.

I'm having the same problem with Corsairs. I was planning to just use them as allies (mainly so that I could finally have some fun HQs, who I wouldn't be ashamed to spend points on), but now I'm struggling to find a reason to actually include any DE with them. Balestrikes are better than Scourges or Ravagers, their biker-troops are superior to venoms, Reavers are much better than Warriors etc. Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 17:20

Why not converting your dark Eldar into Eldar Corsair?

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 17:29

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Why not converting your dark Eldar into Eldar Corsair?

I intend to. Smile

But, at the moment I'm just proxying stuff (save for my Void Dreamer and Corsair Prince, who have proper models). I want to get a feel for the army before I start converting stuff, to get get an idea of which units I want to use, how many need Jet Packs etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 17:31

I really hope they fix the codex balance before we just are the official taxi drivers for the 40k universe... All that needs to happen before we are a the taxi codex is a small change to the allied rules "good vs evil" battle brothers...
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 22:21

killedbydeath wrote:
I really hope they fix the codex balance before we just are the official taxi drivers for the 40k universe...
You've just convinced me to paint my raiders yellow with a black and white checkered stripe.  Now to find some fat, surly crewmen.
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Mon Dec 21 2015, 22:36

CptMetal wrote:
Tau? What reason can you think of to work with Tau?
To win tournaments.
WAAC.

I do not approve
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 02:45

nexs wrote:
CptMetal wrote:
Tau? What reason can you think of to work with Tau?
To win tournaments.
WAAC.

I do not approve

Remove the Dark from Dark Eldar to get ultimate cheese with Taudar
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 03:15

instant win, just add dice! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 04:06

Curious in the good vs evil thing. Is any faction actually good?
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 04:16

In 40k?  No.  Just varying shades of evil. (Although there are a few good individuals in most factions.)
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 08:15

nexs wrote:
CptMetal wrote:
Tau? What reason can you think of to work with Tau?
To win tournaments.
WAAC.

I do not approve

Im curious... if adding Tau to DE is WAAC... is playing pure Tau super-WAAC then? As DE/Tau still have the DE "tax" (which are not even BB) and therefore are weaker than pure Tau.
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 09:04

Playing any codex from Necrons onwards might be regarded as WAAC. Or alternatively, playing any codex prior to Necrons might be regarded as playing with one hand tied behind your back.

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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 11:38

Yeah, it's hard for us who don't want to ally in anything. In highly competitive arenas, that is.
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PostSubject: Re: Ally possibility    Tue Dec 22 2015, 14:02

Myrvn wrote:
Curious in the good vs evil thing. Is any faction actually good?

Tau were supposed to be the good guys but GW decided that it didn't fit the "GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THAT IS WAGHHH!!!!!!!!!"
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