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PostSubject: 1850 DE/E - ITC Ob. Sec. spam   Mon Nov 30 2015, 01:20

Lhammean, Venom - 75
Lhammean, Venom - 75
3 Incubi, Raider, DL - 120
3 Incubi, Raider, DL - 120
4 Incubi, Klaivex (Warlord), Raider, DL, Sails - 155
5 Warriors, Blaster, Venom - 120
5 Warriors, Blaster, Venom - 120
5 Warriors, Blaster, Venom - 120
5 Warriors, Blaster, Venom - 120
Raider, DL - 60
Raider, DL - 60
Raider, DL - 60

Autarch, Banshee Mask, Fusion Gun, Power Spear - 100
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81

Culexus Assassin - 140

The list started from Skulnbonz's ATC list and I basically dropped the ravagers and 1 warrior unit for the eldar, then another warrior unit+1 incubi for the assassin (to help with CC/short-ranged psychic death stars).  

I tested against Double CAD Scat pack Eldar (Autarch on bike, Single Warlock on bike, 10 x 3 Scatbikes, 3 x 6 Aspect Host Hawks, Wraithknight, Warp hunter, Void shield.).  We played ITC misison 5 (Big Guns) I won the turn roll and took second (deployed only Assassin and 2 Lhameans behind LoS blocking terrain, everything came on T2 thanks to Autarch), cleaned up Maelstrom easily, and managed to take Primary thanks to the surprising resilience of late game DE warriors.  The assassin did nothing actively the entire game, but provides a great model for when I want to null deploy and by infiltrating into a ruin in the center got me a King of the Hill tertiary point and made a big area that scatbikes were afraid to come near.  

So, thoughts on the list?  Fliers can be a problem but with my mobility I can get to any skyfire nexus that pops up, or just try to out maneuver/obsec them.  Heavy armor is also a problem with only 9 darklight and a fusion gun, but again I'd just try to use mobility/obsec since most times heavy armor means fewer units (Necron obsec AV 13 wall would be rough though).  Any other match-ups that look like they'd be tough?
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 DE/E - ITC Ob. Sec. spam   Mon Dec 07 2015, 19:06

Made a super minor adjustment to the incubi since my OCD brain likes to have identical units (also because I had an amusing moment when my klaivex lost what was left of his squad to overwatch, then went crazy with 8 attacks and mulched a 5 man marine squad on bottom 6).  Left me with 5 points so I changed one Lhammean to an Ur-ghul (I like the modeling opportunity and the FNP helps with survivability when I null deploy).  Been contemplating swapping the assassin and a squad or two for a wraithknight or some WWP scytheguard, but I'm not sure I wanna go down that route with the list.  

Ur-ghul, Venom - 80
Lhammean, Venom - 75
3 Incubi, Klaivex, Raider, DL - 130
3 Incubi, Klaivex, Raider, DL - 130
3 Incubi, Klaivex (Warlord), Raider, DL - 130
5 Warriors, Blaster, Venom - 120
5 Warriors, Blaster, Venom - 120
5 Warriors, Blaster, Venom - 120
5 Warriors, Blaster, Venom - 120
Raider, DL - 60
Raider, DL - 60
Raider, DL - 60

Autarch, Banshee Mask, Fusion Gun, Power Spear - 100
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81

Culexus Assassin - 140


Also thinking about dropping the Assassin to make points to swap 2 incubi squads for a Grotesquerie:

Lhammean, Venom - 75
4 Incubi, Klaivex (Warlord), Raider, DL - 130
5 Warriors, Blaster, Venom - 120
5 Warriors, Blaster, Venom - 120
5 Warriors, Blaster, Venom - 120
5 Warriors, Blaster, Venom - 120
Raider, DL - 60
Raider, DL - 60
Raider, DL - 60

Haemie, SH, Syndriq's - 90
3 Grots, Abby, SH, Raider, DL - 185
3 Grots, Abby, SH, Raider, DL - 185

Autarch, Banshee Mask, Fusion Gun, Power Spear - 100
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81

Haemie and Autarch prob ride with incubi most of the time.  Null deploy gets a little tricky with this list though.


Edit: Ok I couldn't help it!! Here's a version with a wKnight... and a Grotesquerie...

Lhammean, Venom - 75
7 Incubi, Klaivex (Warlord), Raider, DL, NS - 225
5 Warriors, Venom - 105
5 Warriors, Venom - 105
5 Warriors, Venom - 105

Haemie, FG, Syndriq's, WWP - 125
4 Grots, Abby, SH, Raider, DL - 220
4 Grots, Abby, SH, Raider, DL - 220

Autarch, Banshee Mask, Fusion Gun, Power Spear - 100
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81
3 Scatbikes - 81
Wraith Knight, 2 HWCs, 2 Scatterlasers - 325
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