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PostSubject: 1850 tournament    Sat Nov 28 2015, 07:51

Hey all,

So looking for suggestions and comments on this list I have for a tournament in a few months.

+++ Dark Eldar Test (1850pts) +++

++ Dark Eldar: Codex (2014) (DE Realspace Raiders Detachment) ++

+ HQ +

Court of the Archon [Lhameans]

+ Elites +

Incubi [4x Incubi]
Venom [Splinter Cannon]

Kabalite Trueborn [Kabalite Trueborn]
Kabalite Trueborn with Special Weapon [Blaster]
Kabalite Trueborn with Special Weapon [Blaster]
Kabalite Trueborn with Special Weapon [Blaster]
Kabalite Trueborn with Special Weapon [Blaster]
Venom [Splinter Cannon]

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors [9x Kabalite Warrior]
Kabalite Warrior with heavy weapon (up to 1 for 10 models) [Splinter cannon]
Raider [Dark Lance, Nightshield, Splinter Racks]

Kabalite Warriors [9x Kabalite Warrior]
Kabalite Warrior with heavy weapon (up to 1 for 10 models) [Splinter cannon]
Raider [Dark Lance, Nightshield, Splinter Racks]

Kabalite Warriors [9x Kabalite Warrior]
Kabalite Warrior with heavy weapon (up to 1 for 10 models) [Splinter cannon]
Raider [Dark Lance, Nightshield, Splinter Racks]

Wyches [9x Wych]
Raider [Dark Lance, Nightshield]
Wych with Wych Weapon [Two hydra gauntlets]

Wyches [5x Wych]
Raider [Dark Lance, Nightshield]

Wyches [5x Wych]
Raider [Dark Lance, Nightshield]

+ Fast Attack +

Razorwing Jetfighter [2 Dark Lances, 4x Monoscythe Missile, Nightshield, Splinter Cannon]

Reavers [Cluster caltrops, 2x Reaver]
Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models)
Reaver jetbike [Heat lance]

Reavers [Cluster caltrops, 2x Reaver]
Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models)
Reaver jetbike [Heat lance]

Reavers [Cluster caltrops, 3x Reaver]
Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models)
Reaver jetbike [Heat lance]

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager [Dark Lance, Disintegrator cannon, Disintegrator cannon, Nightshields



I also own the following if you think I should swap out anything.

5 scourge (4 haywire blaster)
10 hellions
Voidraven bomber
Razorwing
Archon with husk blade
Lelith
Haemonculus
8 Incubi
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tournament    Thu Dec 03 2015, 12:04

I don't think you are taking full advantage of this detachment 6 fast attack options.

I would add the second razorwing and 5 scourge with haywire blasters to start with for sure.

In regards to incubi, at the very least would add another incubi and upgrade him to klaivex. you can make him your warlord (you might consider upping that number to 7-10 and putting them in a raider.)

I would get rid of the 3 wych units to fund these changes.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tournament    Thu Dec 03 2015, 12:33

Thank you for the great suggestions. I've been playing around with the list and really think you're right about the scourge and razorwing. So I tossed those in.

Incubi and Wych just haven't been performing well at all,l so I'm swapping them out for more warriors with blasters. What do you think of what I've put together?

NOTE: I may split up the first set of reavers, just havent decided yet.

+++ Dark Eldar (1845pts) +++

++ Dark Eldar: Codex (2014) (DE Realspace Raiders Detachment) ++

+ HQ +

Court of the Archon [Lhameans]
Venom [Splinter Cannon]

+ Elites +

Kabalite Trueborn
Dracon [Close Combat Weapon, Haywire Grenades, Splinter Rifle]
Kabalite Trueborn with Special Weapon [Blaster]
Kabalite Trueborn with Special Weapon [Blaster]
Kabalite Trueborn with Special Weapon [Blaster]
Kabalite Trueborn with Special Weapon [Blaster]
Venom [Splinter Cannon]

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors [9x Kabalite Warrior]
Kabalite Warrior with heavy weapon (up to 1 for 10 models) [Splinter cannon]
Raider [Dark Lance]

Kabalite Warriors [9x Kabalite Warrior]
Kabalite Warrior with heavy weapon (up to 1 for 10 models) [Splinter cannon]
Raider [Dark Lance]

Kabalite Warriors [9x Kabalite Warrior]
Kabalite Warrior with heavy weapon (up to 1 for 10 models) [Splinter cannon]
Raider [Dark Lance]

Kabalite Warriors [4x Kabalite Warrior]
Kabalite Warrior with special weapon [Blaster]
Raider [Dark Lance]

Kabalite Warriors [4x Kabalite Warrior]
Kabalite Warrior with special weapon [Blaster]
Raider [Dark Lance]

Kabalite Warriors [4x Kabalite Warrior]
Kabalite Warrior with special weapon [Blaster]
Raider [Dark Lance]

+ Fast Attack +

Razorwing Jetfighter [2 Dark Lances, 4x Monoscythe Missile, Splinter Cannon]

Razorwing Jetfighter [2 Dark Lances, 4x Monoscythe Missile, Splinter Cannon]

Reavers [2x Cluster caltrops, 4x Reaver]
Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models)
Reaver jetbike [Heat lance]
Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models)
Reaver jetbike [Heat lance]

Reavers [3x Reaver]
Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models)
Reaver jetbike [Blaster]

Scourges [Scourge]
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon [Haywire blaster]
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon [Haywire blaster]
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon [Haywire blaster]
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon [Haywire blaster]

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager [Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance]

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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tournament    Thu Dec 03 2015, 15:04

looks much better! Very Happy

the incubi are good but you need the pick your targets, and I would definitely be of the opinion that you should always field a klaivex if or when you are going to bring them to the table. (rampage is great! Wink )

I would split the reavers, they are great for grabbing objectives that are far away and you can hide 3 much more easily. (you have a free slot in FA)

Other option with your ten warrior raiders is to drop the splinter cannon for splinter racks. playtest both a see which is more effective for you.

good call with the ravager (best to go one way or the other all D lance or all cannon)

I assume your dracon will now be your warlord. As pointed out to me before the Lhamean is HQ choice but not a character so can't be your warlord.



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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tournament    Thu Dec 03 2015, 15:11

or you could drop all the splinter cannons from the raiders and razorwings and put a empty venom in that free FA slot (you probably only have 2 but if you get a chance etc.) Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tournament    Thu Dec 03 2015, 15:52

@drdoom222222 wrote:
looks much better! Very Happy

the incubi are good but you need the pick your targets, and I would definitely be of the opinion that you should always field a klaivex if or when you are going to bring them to the table. (rampage is great! Wink )

I would split the reavers, they are great for grabbing objectives that are far away and you can hide 3 much more easily. (you have a free slot in FA)

Other option with your ten warrior raiders is to drop the splinter cannon for splinter racks. playtest both a see which is more effective for you.

good call with the ravager (best to go one way or the other all D lance or all cannon)

I assume your dracon will now be your warlord. As pointed out to me before the Lhamean is HQ choice but not a character so can't be your warlord.

Thank you Smile

Yeah I only own two Venom right now so we'll see what the future brings.

Couldn't agree more about the klaivex, it makes a big difference. I just have a hard time sinking the points into an Incubi unit when they are so situational. I often have to delay using them to wait for the right moment, but oh boy, do they work like a dream when that moment comes Smile

Not a bad idea about swapping the splinter cannons for racks, I'll seriously think about that one, it's a good suggestion.

I was under the impression the Lhamean could be the warlord if you don't have any characters. Yes the Dracon will be my warlord and hopefully I'll get a trait that can help boost his unit. Also thought since I can't give the 5th dude a blaster a haywire grenade to toss may work well enough.

Can't tell you how much I appreciate the feedback. I'm so excited to field this list.

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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tournament    Thu Dec 03 2015, 16:27

no problem, best of luck! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tournament    Thu Dec 03 2015, 19:52

@FoxCDN wrote:
I was under the impression the Lhamean could be the warlord if you don't have any characters. Yes the Dracon will be my warlord and hopefully I'll get a trait that can help boost his unit.

If you don't have a character you can pick any model as your warlord, which can get a bit weird, picking a Razorwing/cronos/venom/whatever as your warlord is completely legal.  HOWEVER, if you do that (have no characters so pick a non-character warlord) your warlord DOES NOT get a warlord trait.

Also please don't try for a trait that "can help boost his unit", which I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) means you'd try for Target Priority on the Command chart.  Strategic has waaaaay better traits that can benefit the entire army (and really only 1 bad one).

I'd think about spending 10 points on a second Lhammean so you can split the army into 2 CADs.  you've got 6 troop units and Ob. Sec. is extremely useful in ITC misisons (plus then you get a re-roll on the rulebook Warlord Tables.)
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 tournament    Thu Dec 03 2015, 19:57

@Bugs_N_Orks wrote:
@FoxCDN wrote:
I was under the impression the Lhamean could be the warlord if you don't have any characters. Yes the Dracon will be my warlord and hopefully I'll get a trait that can help boost his unit.

If you don't have a character you can pick any model as your warlord, which can get a bit weird, picking a Razorwing/cronos/venom/whatever as your warlord is completely legal.  HOWEVER, if you do that (have no characters so pick a non-character warlord) your warlord DOES NOT get a warlord trait.

Also please don't try for a trait that "can help boost his unit", which I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) means you'd try for Target Priority on the Command chart.  Strategic has waaaaay better traits that can benefit the entire army (and really only 1 bad one).

I'd think about spending 10 points on a second Lhammean so you can split the army into 2 CADs.  you've got 6 troop units and Ob. Sec. is extremely useful in ITC misisons (plus then you get a re-roll on the rulebook Warlord Tables.)


Not running with an Archon in totally new to me so thank you for bringing this up. The idea of making the army as 2 CAD isn't a bad thought. I was in a game last night where objective secure would have helped a great deal.

I'll look at the list and see if I can do it, thank you very much for correcting me on the warlord stuff. You guys rock Smile

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