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RCZ
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PostSubject: Re: Clone Field   Tue Sep 15 2015, 13:34

I personally feel the fluff became from the third edition (when i stopped playing) to the 7th (when i restarted) a lot more plain and stupid.
I personally preferred when dark eldar were dark for choice and not for the great thirst.
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PostSubject: Re: Clone Field   Tue Sep 15 2015, 13:36

@Xalopec wrote:
To be fair, fluff wise the overall codex sucked. And the discrepancy between useful and usless units were a lot greater.
Personally I like it more now.

I assume this is some form of German humor where you say something that can't possibly be true as if it were true. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Clone Field   Tue Sep 15 2015, 13:42

just to add something to the sf/cf debate:

when i have used the archon i almost always drive him into the biggest and baddest guy, in that case i cant really afford the 50/50 of the CF so its has always been the 2++ for me Very Happy

ofcourse thats not really the place for him but thats where he should be imho

it seems a waste of a 150pt+ character + his retinue to just be able to manage lowly infantry so now I tend to just go for the Lhamean for HQ
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PostSubject: Re: Clone Field   Tue Sep 15 2015, 15:13

Hahaha no I'm from Ukraine and I am serious. When I read this thread I was thinking of the good old days. So I had a look in the codex and discovered that it was actually not that great. Just the Archon really.

Nowadays I kind of don't see the point of taking one. You don't even have to compare him to other armys. For the same points you get 5 Incubi with 15A S4-5 Ap2.

The only possible use is to wwp some wraithguard in and tank the wounds with the shadowfield. Though I tried it a lot and were not too impressed with the performance to be honest.
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PostSubject: Re: Clone Field   Tue Sep 15 2015, 22:38

The Webway Portal is amazing for all kinds of things. As a weedeater unit, he's pretty decent (although still overcosted). If you're venom spamming, he can bring another one to the list all his own.
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PostSubject: Re: Clone Field   Tue Sep 15 2015, 22:40

Really though, you want to be taking a HQ because of something he can do for your army - not as a tax on a venom or WWP.
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PostSubject: Re: Clone Field   Thu Sep 17 2015, 12:01

When I get an Archon, I do it for his LD and because is cheaper than an Haem/Succubus.

Archon for LD10, cheaper guy, 2++ save (if u want).
Haemonculus for +1 pain, better in the Coven.
Succubus...i don't like her. Ap2 is nothing comparated to S4 AND no +1 attack for 2 weapons. I prefer a more solid Agonizer, so 5 attack S4 AP2 cannot really help me against nothing.
If I really want an AP2, i run Incubi or CC Reavers.


Anyway, 4++ save...well, when I think about it, i think "for +20 points I can get a 2++ save. And with T3, generally the first hit you get is deadly, so would the Holo Camp worth it?"
I don't think so. 2++ or nothing.
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PostSubject: Re: Clone Field   Fri Sep 18 2015, 00:08

Just charged my archon into a soulgrinder the other day; I kept making the shadowfield saves while plinking off hull points with a haywire grenade turn after turn. This badassery is why I love to bring him when I want to have a good time.

I agree with the rest, though. For a competitive match it's just too many points.
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PostSubject: Re: Clone Field   Sat Sep 19 2015, 00:34

Jea for friendly games he is great. Like one game mine duelled a Wraithknight (the old one) and kicked it's ass and literally the next game he got a beeting by 5 tactical marines.
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