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The Shredder
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PostSubject: Warlord?   Sun Aug 30 2015, 19:56

Which do you guys prefer as your warlord - an Archon or a Coven Haemonculus, and why?

(Yes, I know these are far from the only warlords we have - I'm just curious as to people's preference out of the two.)
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Sun Aug 30 2015, 21:14

I usually take a Coven Haemonculus with Scissorhands. He's cheap and allows my Grots to get IWND and Zealot one turn earlier. I feel like the Archon is just too expensive due to all the upgrades you generally need to give him (Shadowfield, Agoniser, HWG, WWP, Blaster[?]) if you want him to be halfway effective. Plus, his lack of any AP 2 weapon usually leads me to take a Succubus if I really want an HQ that stands a good chance of killing stuff in CC.
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Sun Aug 30 2015, 21:18

Depends on the list. I first decide on the theme and playstyle and then add and build appropriate HQ. If I use a Grotesquerie it is obvious. If I go for Kabal list its obvious again. But given plain choice between Haemi and Archon? Archon... :-) usually cheap one with blaster or hwg and tooled for offence. I dont even bother with SFs. :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Sun Aug 30 2015, 23:01

@sweetbacon wrote:
I usually take a Coven Haemonculus with Scissorhands.  He's cheap and allows my Grots to get IWND and Zealot one turn earlier.  I feel like the Archon is just too expensive due to all the upgrades you generally need to give him (Shadowfield, Agoniser, HWG, WWP, Blaster[?])   if you want him to be halfway effective.  Plus, his lack of any AP 2 weapon usually leads me to take a Succubus if I really want an HQ that stands a good chance of killing stuff in CC.  

With regard to the Archon, my experiences with him are... mixed.

It's kinda weird actually. If I focus on him, he usually does really poorly. However, if I just take him randomly for a change (usually as a throwaway HQ), he generally does pretty well. Neutral

I agree that the Succubus is our best melee character (not least because she's the only one with access to a decent weapon), but I just don't like them. I'm not sure if it's their model, their fluff, their lack of any save outside of combat or something else, but I just can't bring myself to make one my warlord.
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Sun Aug 30 2015, 23:48

Coven haemmy. The guaranteed Warlord Trait is lovely.

That being said, if you have a reroll, the Strategic table is nice too, so Archons shouldn't be sneezed at.
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Mon Aug 31 2015, 00:55

Archon.
Because I like him more - both fluff and model wise.

Also, it makes more sense that a rich, powerful dude could afford to launch a raid and invite a haemy along and be allowed to take slaves as payment. In this case, it would be out of character for an Archon to hand over warlord name to a "lesser" individual.
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Mon Aug 31 2015, 03:24

An archon is always my go to of the hq slot for many reasons. The gear selection is much better, he's the cheapest wwp caddy, only shadow field and huskblade access, only IC that unlocks venoms. Allows courts that don't use hq slots, only hq with blaster access the list goes on. The stat difference between the succubus is irrelevant. Ap 2 almost irrelevant without ID or credible save to back it up. The haemies buff isn't strong enough in my style to be taken solo so I usually only end up taking one with grotesquerie in conjunction with an archon. Just my perspective. Then lastly I just prefer my 'avatar' to be male although if the rules were good enough I'd consider an exception.
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Mon Aug 31 2015, 08:46

I pretty always run an archon with 4+ TS and blaster, rerolling on strategic to (hopefully) gain the city trait. When i catch that trait, the game goes pretty decently for me and i feel that the archon do his job (in my meta we always play in city/ruins).

Sometimes i had good times putting it into a venom and 4 incubus. I DS the venom near a transport with 1 HP, goes it boom from the archon blaster and next turn assault the former occupants.
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Mon Aug 31 2015, 15:05

I do think that one court member would be enough as a warlord, but I do run am archon with Blaster and Portal normally. Combined with several Medusa in a Venom or Raider.

Unless it's a special fight where I have to show up personified through Kerberos.
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Mon Aug 31 2015, 17:22

I almost exclusively run the Dark Artisan Heamy as my warlord. It works well for me as my meta is 2 daemonkin players or a 100% proxy army (which I don't usually play). The vexor mask helps drop those nasty DP initiative some hopefully the big boys can drop it before my haemy is gobbled up.

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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Tue Sep 01 2015, 16:42

Guess I'm one of few who uses a succubus as a warlord? I gave the glaive and armor of misery and put her into a unit of grots. It works well so far.

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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Tue Sep 01 2015, 16:57

She really does profit from the +1 weapon skill...
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Tue Sep 01 2015, 17:01

@CptMetal wrote:
She really does profit from the +1 weapon skill...

Pity about the rest of the army. Razz

In any case, does she really benefit that much from WS9?

I know that it means WS4 hits her on 5s, but does that come up often?
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Tue Sep 01 2015, 17:50

WS 4 being the standard for both MEQ and TEQ units, I'd guess yes.
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Tue Sep 01 2015, 18:06

@Jimsolo wrote:
WS 4 being the standard for both MEQ and TEQ units, I'd guess yes.

Yeah, but how often are they going to be attacking the Succubus directly?

I thought that was the whole point of hiding her in a grotesque squad. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Tue Sep 01 2015, 18:37

Probably true, I suppose.
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Tue Sep 01 2015, 20:26

Succubus as an HQ, but a Nightfiend in reserve as my warlord. That, or Steve the Aberation.
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Tue Sep 01 2015, 22:36

Steve the aberration hahahaha
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PostSubject: Re: Warlord?   Tue Sep 01 2015, 22:41

Oh and Archon unlocks 2 courts and 2 venoms...
EDIT: Srry. Youu can take 2 of those without Archon too. Dont mind me.
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