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PostSubject: Flyer spam   Fri Jun 26 2015, 15:21

Our realspace raider allowing us to have 6 fast units, has someone tried a flyer spam list, and how did it went?

Something like 6 razorwings and 3 voidbomber.

or 9 razorwings, if you take a RSS and a CAD.
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Fri Jun 26 2015, 19:33

Not that many, but I often use three RWJ at the same time (+hemlock if I use CWE ally). It's fun and quite strong against some opponents (e.g., nids) but not a solid option. Especially, a dedicated anti-air (firestorm redoubt in my case) will ruin RWJ easily.

A sad thing is, as always, our CWE cousins have better rules - the hemlock is much tougher due to its psychic and spirit stone, and the new codex gave the flyer D-weapon too.

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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Fri Jun 26 2015, 21:34

I've done 6 razorwings it's awesome mean mean mean list to use Ive obliterated eldar and orks and ig and grey knights so yea I like void ravens for fun games and I mean strict fun games cause I can't think of any other reason to use him he's wayyyyyyyyy to expensive for what he does.
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Sat Jun 27 2015, 08:31

But the Razorwing Fighters were competitive? Six of them? Did you buy any gear or missiles?
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Sat Jun 27 2015, 13:36

There is something to bringing six that would make up for theirblack luster performance by themselves. After all Vladimir Lenin said, "Quantity is a quality all of it's own."
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Sun Jun 28 2015, 12:17

I don't know about the points or how it works, but isn't their an eldar formation with 3 fliers you could also ally in, maybe instead of the lack luster void ravens?
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Sun Jun 28 2015, 12:21

Does anyone really think that Razorwing Fighters are bad? I think they are awesome and a viable alternative to Ravager. One less Lance, but are more durable and have awesome rockets!
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Sun Jun 28 2015, 12:26

I only have one, but it's one of my favorite units. I love both the model and rules. They are great in TAC list because they are so versatile. I tend to have better luck with it vs tanks than my Ravager which is annoying. There are plenty of haters out there though.
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Sun Jun 28 2015, 12:46

I have 2 and love them to bits, but as our only real AA option other than the Void Raven they really don't perform so well.

Awesome at making an entrance, but the schizophrenic weapon loadout does it very few favors. It could really benefit from Split Fire.
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Sun Jun 28 2015, 18:05

I hate them. Take 3 and try to down a Storm Raven. Useless as AA. Shooting a tank on the ground you are paying for more than 3 Ravagers and getting 2 Ravagers worth of shooting and probably for only 2 turns. The large blasts are decent against swarm armies, that I hardly ever see and even then they don't ignore cover, so the people you hit still get saves. They are terrible against anything with 3+ or better armour.

1 is nice as a distraction and you aren't wasting too many points I suppose, that's as much as I'd give them. Saying this, I've never tried more than 3 in a list before. They killed 3 Marines and 1 StormTalon, so that sucked.
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Sun Jun 28 2015, 18:10

You got two lances, that isn't bad. Combined with pie plates you are forcing your enemy to stay in cover.
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Sun Jun 28 2015, 19:20

@CptMetal wrote:
You got two lances, that isn't bad. Combined with pie plates you are forcing your enemy to stay in cover.

But we need them out of cover, since our approaching assault units lack grenades.
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Sun Jun 28 2015, 22:00

@CptMetal wrote:
Does anyone really think that Razorwing Fighters are bad?

Yep. To the extent that I gave the model away to a mate.

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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Mon Jun 29 2015, 20:06

@Jimsolo wrote:
@CptMetal wrote:
You got two lances, that isn't bad. Combined with pie plates you are forcing your enemy to stay in cover.

But we need them out of cover, since our approaching assault units lack grenades.

Maybe with 3 squads of mandrakes, to infiltrate the cover zones? They are not very expensive.

My main enemy is a full tank guard, with a Pask punisher, lot of leman russ, and few chimerae. He doesn't have hydra yet, so his anti air is mainly his punisher(s). If I focus them on the firsts turns, he shouldn't have a lot of shot remaining on my flyers.
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Mon Jun 29 2015, 21:12

I run 2-3. I did manage to kill 10 out of 20 necron units
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Mon Jun 29 2015, 22:49

I once had a RJF with dissies and SC wipe out a third of a tau army AND bring down a riptide to 1 wound.

It's all about how you use them.
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Mon Jun 29 2015, 23:02

I did have a Diss Cannon Razorwing kill a dreadnought in one go with 3 glances
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Tue Jun 30 2015, 13:06

At first glance the idea to take 4-6 RWJ combining with Crimson Death formation (Viodravens? no thanks) is nice. But then you will see, that there are not so many scoring units on the ground, and you will also need to invest in reserve control. Your birds have a real chance to arrive only on turn 4, when no one is alive on the ground

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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Tue Jun 30 2015, 13:44

I would do that anyway. Six Razorwings fornme equals 900, then run 3 raiders and an elite with an Archon in am good at 1850. If I bring Voidravens as well, then we are looking at a few Venom squads and a cheap HQ.
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Wed Jul 01 2015, 15:21

I Wrote a list using battle scribe that was just that for 2000 pts even i havent tested it yet due to having only 1/3 of the jets but it looks promising and stays pure DE
Arcnon husk,shadow,parasitekiss,soultrap venom dual SC
court made of 3 sslyths and 1 lhemean
5 warriors on naked raider x3
5 warriors on dual SC venom
3 RJF dissie and SC
3 RJF dLance twin linked s rifle
3 Voidraven heavy fighters (i refuse to call them bombers, no bomber has only one bomb) no missiles to keep cost down

The trick is in how you spend oid raven is 160 with vlances only or dscythe much more reasonable
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Wed Jul 01 2015, 21:16

Dont conclude they are AA just because they are flyers themselves... they are not a good AA unit.

In my opinion they are only good for one purpose: killing non-vehicles on ground or maybe flying MC. They are nice to kill something that is standing in the backfield of your opponent shooting with heavy weapons, or hiding somewhere back because they can reach anything with their 72" threat range. Thats added value to the rest of my army.

Therefore Dissis, and if you have the points SC, are a good loadout IMO. Reading the comments here that seems to be in line with what other people think.

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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Wed Jul 01 2015, 22:08

True disses are great one them there is no lie on that. Dark Lances are just the signature of our army sadly.
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Thu Jul 02 2015, 21:28

So Void ravens are horrible? I'll defantly skip getting them.

And I thought about the 6 RWJ list, figured it would crush infantry, so the concencious is it doesn't work well?
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Fri Jul 03 2015, 00:44

It's fine if you happen across troop swarm ... Which hardly ever happens Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Flyer spam   Fri Jul 03 2015, 03:09

it's still 24 missiles and 12 dark lance shot.
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