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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sat Jun 27 2015, 23:44

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But we did not come after Necrons (the new detachment stuff)

And we wont for at least 6 months, Fantasy will get a 3month run (im guessing) then will Be Tau or GK 1st.

Tau are still a 6th edition book but aren't Grey Knights a 7th edition book like us? Or are you saying that GK will get a supplement to bring them inline with Necron and new codeci?
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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 00:20

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But we did not come after Necrons (the new detachment stuff)

And we wont for at least 6 months, Fantasy will get a 3month run (im guessing) then will Be Tau or GK 1st.

Tau are still a 6th edition book but aren't Grey Knights a 7th edition book like us? Or are you saying that GK will get a supplement to bring them inline with Necron and new codeci?

The almost never do 2 Xenos back to back, so it will be tau then Gk then DE.

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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 00:27

I'm confused, are we talking supplements or new codex? Both DE and GK have 7th edition Codices. I can believe that they will release a supplement for GK to bring them up to par with the Newer Codex from 7th edition but DE already got one supplement in addition to our 7th edition codex. If you are talking about  a second Supplement for Dark Eldar then I'm dubious of that ever happening. Also if they did release a second supplement, a Dark Eldar player, that wanted to play the faction to it's fullest, would have to shell out $150 + tax (USD) for all of the books.

I highly doubt that GW will release an entirely new 7th edition codex for GK and DE during 7th edition when they have already released a 7th edition codex for them. There are other factions, such as Tau and Tyranids that have not received a 7th edition codex that would take priority. The production of books cost GW money and I don't see them going back and adding new books to ones that they have already invested two books into this edition already (such as Orks and DE who both have a supplement, GK don't have a supplement at this point thus why I can see them boosting them, plus GK is a beloved Space Marine faction.).

I don't know maybe I'm not being clear and just typing nonsense.


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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 00:38

I actually don't think that our codex sucks. I just wish I could use Phantasm launcher on space Marines.

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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 00:51

Even if it doesn't "suck" (which is of course subjective) it is not on par with the newer releases (with their formations/detachments) and it can be felt with the curve we have to play at. I personally do not want us to win easily, I want that bit of a learning curve, but I would like to see some flavor added back into our units and for units like Hellions and wyches to actually be worth using. For those who want to play pure DE to feel like they are deliberately playing at a handycap without taking allies.

But then again I'm speaking as a fool that plays fluff lists instead of min/max.
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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 01:36

@CurstAlchemist

They are redoing ALL codex's, they Redid 7th ed ones too already.

There is a new CAD formation for these new books, "doctrines".

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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 01:40

I wasn't aware that they have redone 7th edition codex, which one was redone and released? Was there an article published about this in a WD or something?

My knowledge on this is obviously lacking.
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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 02:21

There is precedent for Dark Eldar getting two codexes in one edition if the first one is a mistake. 3rd edition, to be exact.

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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 02:25

Eldar came out in 7th didnt it? Or am I mistaken?

Either way, they are redoing them fast, but wont be DE for a while. 5-7 months I think.

I hope I am wrong.

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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 03:06

Eldar had a 6th edition release and just got their 7th edition.

I hope I'm wrong and that that we at least get a second supplement to put our hellions and wyches back on the board.

I also hope that you are wrong and that we get it sooner then 5-7 months if it should happen.
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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 03:13

if you look at ALL books, and compare to ours we have the least "tools" to deal with things

And we have some of the worst Armor Saves (some have Invuls at 5+ and fnp 5+ easier than u, but being t3 vs t4 or 5 is hard for us.)

The Full book needs a +1 to Armor saves across the board.
We need some S7 weapons and D

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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 06:01

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if you look at ALL books, and compare to ours we have the least "tools" to deal with things

And we have some of the worst Armor Saves (some have Invuls at 5+ and fnp 5+ easier than u, but being t3 vs t4 or 5 is hard for us.)

The Full book needs a +1 to Armor saves across the board.
We need some S7 weapons and D

So go play CWE then because that's what you are describing

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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 06:16

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if you look at ALL books, and compare to ours we have the least "tools" to deal with things

And we have some of the worst Armor Saves (some have Invuls at 5+ and fnp 5+ easier than u, but being t3 vs t4 or 5 is hard for us.)

The Full book needs a +1 to Armor saves across the board.
We need some S7 weapons and D

So go play CWE then because that's what you are describing

CWE?


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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 06:17

CWE = Craftworld Eldar
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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 06:18

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CWE = Craftworld Eldar

No B.c I dont like the style.........

Asking for Options =/= a different army

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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 06:33

But why would GW game designers (try not to laugh when you read those words together!) make us identical to the CWE codex?

We don't need a boost to saves - its always been our thing for light armour - being pirates and all that.

We don't need S7 - we need a high ROF, medium S weapon. We have tonnes of S8 but its single shots - we need ROF.

As for D - the void mine should have been a D IMO and the scythes on the bomber should be the same as the CWE, again IMO

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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 06:39

Having started dark eldar in the 7th ed codex I find that the book does struggle against the brand new books I haven't had a chance to play against anything really post necrons besides eldar and that was with necrons. I do see that the codex alone without the covens book does suffer alot in terms of power we can at least go into a game knowing we can still pretty much destroy nids and not feel bad. I do hope they bring some kind of new book out with the newer foc that they have been releasing lately because to me dark eldar scream for this style formation. It's really sad that we have to be comared to the craft world eldar and try to mesaure up to what they do and not play based on our own skills and tactics which I have discovered take alot to figure out been the hardest and most enjoyable army I've ever played and I've played just about every faction except the small mini dexes
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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 06:58

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But why would GW game designers (try not to laugh when you read those words together!) make us identical to the CWE codex?

We don't need a boost to saves - its always been our thing for light armour - being pirates and all that.

We don't need S7 - we need a high ROF, medium S weapon. We have tonnes of S8 but its single shots - we need ROF.

As for D - the void mine should have been a D IMO and the scythes on the bomber should be the same as the CWE, again IMO

Our armor is the only one out of all units called "warrior: that is 5 instead of 4. BUT we dont have options like they do and we cost as much.

I dont need S7, But have Poison, S5 and S8 only doesnt really give much options, having a 2-3 shot S6 or a 2 Shot s7 can add more options instead of..... DL/Poison DL/Poison etc....

D is for killing kings we cant kill like Super heavies...... Bomber should be a D weapon Vehicle.

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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 15:30

Most of the options you describe mean the Dark Eldar will play exactly like CWE, just with spikier models, is what he's driving at.
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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 15:35

Still better than being CWE's weaker, slower, more fragile cousins. Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 16:40

What about heavy poison canons that wound on 3+? Or Flesh bane canons? Those would be fine to fight against gigantic creatures, too.

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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 17:02

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What about heavy poison canons that wound on 3+? Or Flesh bane canons? Those would be fine to fight against gigantic creatures, too.

Those could indeed be nice (assuming reasonable availability).

But, what about anti-tank?
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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 21:03

Im saying DE needs something that can ACTUALLY deal with Supers and anything heavy.

You want it fluffy give us Armorbane weapons in Coven.

So I was saying 3 months at least, and even up to 5 for tau to be out......

Rumors already saying 4months till Tau > http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/06/no-40k-for-4-months-and-then-tau.html

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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 21:17

Whilst I'm against D-weapons being in the game at all, it does seem silly that the highly-resilient Eldar also get D-weapons, whilst we the supposed glass-hammers are stuck with pitiful Dark Lances.
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PostSubject: Re: Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.   Sun Jun 28 2015, 21:48

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@CurstAlchemist

They are redoing ALL codex's, they Redid 7th ed ones too already.

There is a new CAD formation for these new books, "doctrines".

They have yet to redo any 7e codexes. They are however going through the 6e codexes fairly rapidly but even if they keep up that sort of release rate they still have CSM, Daemons, Tau, Tyranids and Guard to get through plus several mini-factions or other type of releases (Sisters, Inquisition, Legion of the Damned etc) before they start on the 7e codexes, by which time I fully expect them to have 8e out.

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