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PostSubject: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Wed Sep 14 2011, 02:41

Says none of the Cult of Strife do either. Does this mean that If I field Lelith I can't have any combat drugs on my wyches, or is it just the unit she is a part of? Or is it just Lelith and fluff otherwise?
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Wed Sep 14 2011, 02:45

Just Lelith Fluff

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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Wed Sep 28 2011, 17:56

. . . .Lelith is straight edge?
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Wed Sep 28 2011, 19:15

She doesn't care what the other wyches do. She just don't use combat drugs for a personnal choice because she believes that combat drugs take away from your true skill.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 17:58

And they corrupt her pain drinkyness. You can't get every tiny detail of an enemies death throes if you're off your face.

At the risk of going off topic, why doesn't Baron Satonyx use them?
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 18:08

@Archon Mephitic wrote:
And they corrupt her pain drinkyness. You can't get every tiny detail of an enemies death throes if you're off your face.

At the risk of going off topic, why doesn't Baron Satonyx use them?
He does
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 18:57

Then my codex is wrong?
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 18:58

@Archon Mephitic wrote:
Then my codex is wrong?
I thought the last time I saw him he had combat drugs.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 19:02

I thought he did, but, whilst playing a game a couple of weeks ago, my friend made me check it and he hasn't. I've also just been through the codex again and no Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 19:05

@Archon Mephitic wrote:
I thought he did, but, whilst playing a game a couple of weeks ago, my friend made me check it and he hasn't. I've also just been through the codex again and no Sad
It isn't in the back with his point cost?
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 19:13

Nope, I've checked bothof his entries. As far as I can see, the only named HQ that comes with them is Duke Sliscus
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 19:15

@Archon Mephitic wrote:
Nope, I've checked bothof his entries. As far as I can see, the only named HQ that comes with them is Duke Sliscus
Vect has them too or at least I thought he did last night. OMG why doesn't anyone use drugs!
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 19:20

No, not even Vect has them. I'm looking at the codex now and if you want a HQ with combat drugs it's, Duke Sliscus, a Succubus or and Archon. Even so, the Archon has to pay for them. I can't even find any fluff about why anyone, apart from Lelith, doesn't use them.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 19:32

I have lost respect for some of the Dark Eldar IC........what kind of self respecting Dark Eldar don't use drugs.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 20:46

Because generally drugs are the purview of the Wych Cults - if you look at it that way it's quite normal.

The only Non-Wych units that use Drugs are;

Hellions (jerg-off gang members, excited by the rush - makes sense.
Duke Sliscus (total awesome psycopath who eats poison for fun - so I don't see him as a representation of "normal")
Certain Archons (Some of them might have come up through Wych Cults anyway, or maybe just find it the only way to feel the rush anymore)

The only Wych unit that doesn't (as far as game mechanics go);

Lillith


That all makes pretty good sense to me - it seems odder to expect those HQs to use drugs rather than the other way around.

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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 21:00

@Thor665 wrote:

That all makes pretty good sense to me - it seems odder to expect those HQs to use drugs rather than the other way around.
I think that stems from the old codex where just about everyone could take drugs and did so.

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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 21:03

@Baron Tordeck wrote:
I think that stems from the old codex where just about everyone could take drugs and did so.
As a player of that codex, I can tell you not too many of the options that could take it ever did. But you might be right, I will admit the new drug setup is not one I am as fond of as the old setup...though I'll concede it's a lot easier to keep track of.

Though in the old dex; Vect, Urien, Decapitator - no drugs. It was still a prevalent phenomenon.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 22:30

@Thor665 wrote:
Because generally drugs are the purview of the Wych Cults - if you look at it that way it's quite normal.

The only Non-Wych units that use Drugs are;

Hellions (jerg-off gang members, excited by the rush - makes sense.
Duke Sliscus (total awesome psycopath who eats poison for fun - so I don't see him as a representation of "normal")
Certain Archons (Some of them might have come up through Wych Cults anyway, or maybe just find it the only way to feel the rush anymore)

The only Wych unit that doesn't (as far as game mechanics go);

Lillith


That all makes pretty good sense to me - it seems odder to expect those HQs to use drugs rather than the other way around.

and Reavers so, the way I see it, they aren't just for the Wych cults. The codex also states that they are widespread throughout Commorragh

Baron Sathonyx = Hellion, no?
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Sep 29 2011, 23:53

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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Fri Sep 30 2011, 01:04

Indeed, I also would expect Voodoo-surfer to "do drugs".

But no. Because.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Fri Sep 30 2011, 04:22

@Archon Mephitic wrote:
and Reavers so, the way I see it, they aren't just for the Wych cults. The codex also states that they are widespread throughout Commorragh
Reavers are Wyches. (unless they changed that in the new codex, but I don't recall them doing so)

@Archon Mephitic wrote:
Baron Sathonyx = Hellion, no?
He is, but he actually came from a good background, didn't he? He's not one of the common rabble and probably isn't down with snorting whatever dreck the others are high on.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Fri Sep 30 2011, 05:30

Just read the entry, Hellions and Reavers are no longer part of the Wych Cults.

Hellions have become roving gangs of dregs and teens who use drugs for fun.

While Reavers are skilled pilots who enjoy killing an use drugs to enhance themselves.

And yes the Baron was a nobleborn, though of a lessor pedigree.

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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Fri Sep 30 2011, 06:00

Reavers aren't Wyches? Why arena champions then? This is boggling my soul.

Edit: Looking at the entry it talks about them being gladiators and competing in arenas. I'll note that it doesn't preclude them from being Wyches, it certainly doesn't align them with anything else. For my purposes I'll choose to still believe they are Wyches, though I'll accept it's not explicitly stated anymore (for some dumb reason...)
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Fri Sep 30 2011, 09:25

I think its like the chariot drivers and that gladiators in ancient Rome. They both were violent sports in areas but weren't the from the same group. The deaths in the chariot races were less intended then in the gladiator matchs, but still short life. and the games are in different locations, the circus in ancient rome, and a toroid (donut shape)around a spire for the reavers. So similar but separate groups. A reaver area could be attached to kabal almost as easily as to a wych cult.
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PostSubject: Re: Lelith doesn't use combat drugs so...   Thu Oct 27 2011, 10:30

Reavers are just a different part of the arenas, they're still gladiators. 'Wych' just seems to refer specifically to the ones on foot. I generally imagine a lot of male wyches becoming Reaver pilots because it's harder for them to become Hekatrii. They would be better drivers after all. ;P

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