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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Thu Apr 09 2015, 10:05

@Hannibal.Lictor - Let's keep it civil please. I'm sure you're capable of making a point without calling other players silly names - Count Adhemar

As for the Wave Serpent, I disagree that the firepower isn't an issue. Up to 14 S6/7 shots, all twin-linked at BS4 is more than most armies have on their heavy support choices! When it's on a fast, resilient and maneuverable platform that can be spammed to hell then it becomes even more of an issue and really needs toning down. The designers are hampered by the options on the kit, which must all be usable. This basically means they have two routes they can take.

Firstly, they can remove or alter the Laser Lock rule on Scatter Lasers. Removing the twin-linking of all weapons would go a long way to keeping the Serpent in check.

Secondly, they can change the Serpent Shield. Your suggestion of a torrent is quite nice, although I'd prefer a 12" range. I've also seen suggestions that it becomes a blast, which would prevent its use against flyers and reduce the amount of shots the Serpent pumps out. My own suggestion would be to keep it as is but make it a one shot weapon.

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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Thu Apr 09 2015, 10:21

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Firstly, they can remove or alter the Laser Lock rule on Scatter Lasers. Removing the twin-linking of all weapons would go a long way to keeping the Serpent in check.

I would really want that to happen. Not because I think it is a real issue but because it makes casting "guide" so unrewarding on a lot of units.
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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Thu Apr 09 2015, 11:31

I agree with Count - make the offensive attack a 1 use per game and when you use it - you loose the defensive effect for the rest of the game as well. Done

As for assault ramps - nope - just make the banshee exarch power 'Acrobatic' let them assault from any vehicle as if it was open topped. Makes them different from scorpions/wraith blades/harlequins so they have a place in the combat line up without silly things like harlequins or incubi gaining an Av12 shielded assault transport

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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Thu Apr 09 2015, 11:58

i hope for assault ramps, maybe some tweaks for storm guardians too, poor things they just want to share the meaning of life... with chainswords Very Happy. I found eldar assault quite suprisingly effective just i needed to get 3 fast slot raider with a realspace raider detach for those assaults, combined with other 2 raiders and a venom for the Dark kin assaults and a few shining spears/reavers it makes quite some fun.  For the serpent, i dont realy care what happens to it (i have 4) as long as they be more transporty than shooty, fed up with paying 145 point for a transport what other armies get for 35 ... or even better (im looking at you drop pods) or for 70 (IG/DE) sure it shoots the crap out of IG and Xenos but SM still laugh at me with their power armour. Remove nerf whatever i tend to fail the serpentshield fail when i fail the cover save or Grav centurions happen :/
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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Thu Apr 09 2015, 12:02

Can't see assault ramps happening but would love it if it did. I might actually get to use my Howling Banshees!

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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Thu Apr 09 2015, 12:33

I would really like the idea of banshee masks getting assault rule to banshees. No need for wratuhbaldes getting assault fron serpent.

Shield should be Heavy 6 one shot/lose protection after shot.

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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Tue Apr 14 2015, 20:43

First leaked pics are up:

http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2015/04/leaked-images-codex-cover-models-and.html

New jetbikes, Autarch with wings, and codex cover so far.  And some supposed rule leaks:

@Natfka wrote:

via Mr Maloke on Warseer

"scatter lasers now lost the twin linking bonus
however. windriders can now get scatter lasers. (each model can change the TL shuriken catapult for either scatter laser or shuriken cannon)"


via Manwë
http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=229838&page=5
Some people on a French forum have seen the WD.

The WK's heavy wraithcanons are now D, and the sword too. He is gargantuan (and probably LoW I think).

Jetbikes rules are the same, no changes and same slot (but new minies, and they are cool!).

Walocks are not in the Wildriders box, but is an option in the Jetseer pack =D (1D6+100 of dat things for me, kthxbye).

There is a "Decurie" (don't now the name of the Necron special host in English), called Craftworld Warhosts :

1 to 3 guardians host (Wildriders, guardiens squads and the ones from Ulthwë) unlock some extra stuff for all the craftworlds. For example, 1 3 Wildriders choices unlock some stuff for Saim Hann host.

You can take for each guardians host 1 to 12 choices of some unit in the codex (crimson, tank, avengers..., but also aspects warriors, ghost warriors, wraithknight and wraithlords. But seems limitated to 1 for the 3 lasts).

The Autarch on foot has swooping hawks wings, and is awesome.


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No pics, but read the WD.
3 new plastic kits :

- Eldar Windriders : 3 new motojets with all the weapon choices available.
- Eldar Farseer Skyrunner : 1 eldar farseer or warlock (2 heads and 2 weapons choice).
- Eldar Autarch : no options

New codex of 160 pages with description of 11 craftworld (nothing about specific rules for them).
2 new specific psy discipline (battle runes and fate runes).

One FOC like the necron :
1-3 guardian hosts (3 types available)
0-3 Regent of the warhost (Heroes, seer council, living legends (avatar and phoenix lords))
1-12 formation for each guardian ost (outcasts, crimson death, dire avenger shrine, wraith host, aspect host, wraith-construct, engines of vaul)

Distorsion wepon = D-weapon.

CC weapon of the wraithknight is D weapon.
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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Tue Apr 14 2015, 22:34

Honestly, there's a lot that needs to go right for the Eldar.

Another spoiler is that scatter lasers have lost laser lock (but may now be taken by jetbikes).

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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Tue Apr 14 2015, 23:08

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0-3 Regent of the warhost :
- Heroes of the craftworlds (1 Autarch or Yriel or Eldrad or Illic
- Seer council : 2 farseers (1 can be Eldrad, 1 warlock conclave
- living legends : 1 avatar or 1 of the phoenix lords

1-12 formation for each guardian ost
- outcasts : 1 unit Rangers
- crimson death : 3 crimson hunters
- dire avenger shrine : 3 unit Dire Avengers
- wraith host : 1 Spiritseer, 3 unit Wraith guards/blades (any combinaison), 1 Wraithlord, 1 Wraith Knight
- aspect host : 3 unit aspect warriors (any combinaison)
- wraith-construct :1Hemlock or 1 Wraithlord or 1 Wraithknight
- engines of vaul : 1 unit of Night Spinner or 1 unit of Fire Prism or 1 unit of Falcon

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There are 3 different choice for guardian host :

- Guardian Battlehost ( 1 farseer, 3 unit guardian defenders, 1 Vyper squadron, 1 unit War walkers, 1 Vaul's Wrath Support Battery and 0-1 Warlock conclave)

- Windrider host (1 farseer, 1 warlock conclave, 3 unit Windriders, 1 Vyper squadron)

- Guardian storm host ( 1 farseer, 3 unit storm guardian , 1 Vyper squadron, 1 unit War walkers, 1 Vaul's Wrath Support Battery and 0-1 Warlock conclave


over from warseer eldar topic sounds intresting at the least
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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Tue Apr 14 2015, 23:20

@urden93 wrote:

- Guardian storm host ( 1 farseer, 3 unit storm guardian , 1 Vyper squadron, 1 unit War walkers, 1 Vaul's Wrath Support Battery and 0-1 Warlock conclave


Hmmm, I wonder if they have actually made Storm Guardian a worthwhile choice now?
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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 02:21

I wonder if the "unit of" Falcon's, Fire Prism's, or Night Spinner's means that you can take multiple of each as a unit.

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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 03:01

I'm really hoping for a formation that is just Psyker heavy. Something fluffy like a unit with Eldrad warlocks and farseers that have infiltrate or something. I would love to drop those into either my DE or Harlequin armies.

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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 04:39

@Its_Rumble wrote:
I'm really hoping for a formation that is just Psyker heavy. Something fluffy like a unit with Eldrad warlocks and farseers that have infiltrate or something. I would love to drop those into either my DE or Harlequin armies.
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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 09:05

@Its_Rumble wrote:
I'm really hoping for a formation that is just Psyker heavy. Something fluffy like a unit with Eldrad warlocks and farseers that have infiltrate or something. I would love to drop those into either my DE or Harlequin armies.
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Seer council : 2 farseers (1 can be Eldrad, 1 warlock conclave)

These are 0-3 for every Guardian host (which also need 1 Farseer and a Conclave)

So basically you can have 3 Windrider squads, 1 Vyper Squad and up to 7 Farseers and 4 Warlock conclaves. I would say thats pretty psyker heavy.
Also the council seems to be a daemonkin-like formation wich probably means there are benefits for using them on top of it.
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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 17:02

From ESE last night via Splintermind on FB - any and all Windriders in a squad of up to 11 can take either a Scatter Laser or a Shuriken Cannon.

Update via Natfka's anonymous source, Wednesday, April 15 - still to be confirmed:

@Natfka wrote:
via an anonymous sources on Faeit 212
Eldar are divided into three types of detachments- Core, Auxiliary, and Command.

Here they are.
Core: Guardian Hosts 1-3
Guardian Battlehost
1 farseer
3 guardian defenders
1 vyper squadron
1 war walkers
1 vauls wrath support battery
0-1 warlock conclave

Windrider Host
1 farseer
1 warlock conclave
3 windriders
1 vyper squadron

Guardian Stormhost
1 farseer
3 storm guardians
1 vyper squadron
1 war walkers
1 vaul's wrath support battery
0-1 warlock conclave

Command: Regents of the Warhost 0-3 per Guardian Host
Heroes of the craftworld
1 autarch, prince yriel, eldrad or illic nightspear

Seer Council
2 farseers
1 warlock council

Living Legends
1 avatar, Jain Zar, Asurmen, Karandras, Fuegan, Baharroth, or Maugan Ra

Auxiliary (1-12 per Guardian Host)
Outcasts
1 Rangers

Crimson Death
3 Crimson Hunters

Aspect Host
3 Dire Avengers, Howling Banshees, Striking Scorpions, Fire Dragons, Swooping Hawks, Dark Reapers, Warp Spiders or Shining Spears, in any combination

Dire Avenger Shrine
3 Dire Avengers

Wraith Constructs
1 Hemlock Wraith fighter, wraithlord, or wraithknight

Wraith Host
1 spiritseer
3 wraithguard or wraithblades in any combination
1 wraithlord
1 wraithknight

Engines of Vaul
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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 17:18

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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 17:21

i just hope there will be an Iyanden and maybe a Bieltan decurion too and thsi one is the Ulthwé one. I have no problem with guardians have 40+ but if i have to bring them they eat up my points which could be spent on aspects T.T
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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 17:42

I guess that is the only one. On the other hand... you can still use CAD and any Formation in the Book (just like Daemonkin)
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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 18:00

yeah hope some nice rules on Aspect host like rising cresendo
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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 20:53

From what we are seeing ATM, it looks so silly I can't stop laughing. All those people moaning about Wave Serpents and praying for nerfs are already freaking out about jetbikes, wraithknight and S: D totting wraithguard Very Happy

And I'm loving that thread on dakka-dakka:
- ROTFL anyone saying wraithguard are going to have D-weapons is bonkers!
...one picture later...
- Oh crap...

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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 21:52

It's not unheard of for White Dwarf to mislead us on this sort of thing though. Remember the power mauls that our Wracks were going to have? Let's see what the actual codex says.

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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 22:16

The power mauls were for the mini-game.
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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 22:37

@Klaivex Charondyr wrote:
The power mauls were for the mini-game.

I think the reference was to the battle report vs Astra Militarum when the codex was released, though if I remember right it was just bad writing on their part and actually referred to the power mauls carried by the ogryn/bullgryn that the wracks were fighting

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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Wed Apr 15 2015, 23:14

@Klaivex Charondyr wrote:
The power mauls were for the mini-game.

The power maul doesn't even appear in the mini-game and the article on the Wrack kit makes no mention of that game.

White Dwarf #34 wrote:
Each Wrack has access to a bewildering array of weapons, from hooked blades and studded clubs to power mauls and exotic guns...

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PostSubject: Re: New eldar codex next? - Wed. April 15 pics p2, Fri. April 17 pre-orders p4   Thu Apr 16 2015, 01:36

The Dark Eldar power maul is different than its imperial cousin and allows a spry elf to wound any creature in a roll of a 4+...
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