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Would you field wyches if they were 5 pts?
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The Shredder
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PostSubject: Re: Would you use wyches if they were cheap?   Tue Jan 20 2015, 22:37

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How are they deep striking in the first place?

Raider, venom, Webway portal. Pick one or use em all i like the last one

If they deep strike via a WWP, then they're trapped with a character who can't assault after deep-striking.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you use wyches if they were cheap?   Tue Jan 20 2015, 22:54

I would love to see them with hit and run and a 3++ dodge save against overwatch and assault (hit and run ties in nicely with furious charge/rage/fearless from PfP). I don't want them to be cheaper, they are elite gladiatorial fighters not mass fodder.

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PostSubject: Re: Would you use wyches if they were cheap?   Tue Jan 20 2015, 22:55

Raiders and venoms *boom* solved seeing as they can exit a transport and leave an hq behind you can still wwp if you want to get points inefficient, id like to say give it to the succubus and lelith too but i see people getting butthurt when turn one they are mulched by a succubus blob
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PostSubject: Re: Would you use wyches if they were cheap?   Tue Jan 20 2015, 23:17

@Mushkilla wrote:
I would love to see them with hit and run and a 3++ dodge save against overwatch and assault (hit and run ties in nicely with furious charge/rage/fearless from PfP). I don't want them to be cheaper, they are elite gladiatorial fighters not mass fodder.

Getting their 4++ save against overwatch would be nice.

Personally though, I'd like them to hit a lot harder in combat. Give them Shred or something.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you use wyches if they were cheap?   Wed Jan 21 2015, 00:00

I agree with you, but if they could do what i propose would they be worth taking as is?

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PostSubject: Re: Would you use wyches if they were cheap?   Wed Jan 21 2015, 00:26

I voted no. After trying to think of a use for them and remembering they still don't have haywire grenades.

5, 10, 15? What are they going to do? The problem with wyches is in design, unlike the voidraven bomber, which if it were 25 points cheaper hell yeah I'd take one. With wyches I just can't find a use for them. I don't think I'd take them if they were 1 point a model. Why? Because they share a slot with kabalite warriors, who are totally self reliant. Now if the cost of bloodbrides went down with them I MIGHT consider bloodbrides. The elite section is a little weak, and Grots are a little pricey, but I still hold reservations about it.

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PostSubject: Re: Would you use wyches if they were cheap?   Wed Jan 21 2015, 15:42

@Grimcrimm wrote:
I agree with you, but if they could do what i propose would they be worth taking as is?

If I could put a Succubus with them and still assault from deep-strike, then I'd consider it.

Otherwise, no.

The thing is, all they can really hope to do is tie up an enemy unit. I don't want to tie up enemy units - I want to *kill* them. So, why am I paying more for wyches to delay a squad than I am for Warriors who can just kill it?

And, the other aspect is that I don't think they'd even work against most of the armies I face. For a start, you still have to contend with Overwatch - which can be very damaging to a T3 squad with no meaningful save. Then you have the fact that you're only S3. Even with 3 attacks each on the charge, that's not going to accomplish much. And, in return, you're T3 with a 4++ save - you're going to take casualties. In fact, against a lot of units, you'll most likely lose combat. And, you have nothing to stop you running - at which point you've just wasted a squad to do absolutely nothing to your opponent.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you use wyches if they were cheap?   Thu Jan 22 2015, 12:56

I played them recently in a friendly game and in the only way I could imagine them to achieve sth:
9 wyches in a raider with splinter-racks with a coven-supplement-hamonculus with fleet and a wwp.
The plan was to put them in play exactly so that they could shoot one unit and then threaten another one in cc or shooting the next turn. They are still annoying as hell.
The reality was semi just-as-planned:
they stole an objective from a group of raptors, shot two of them thanks to re-roll (six 1's and 2's on the first attempt), the plasma-grenade killed a third raptor and a csm from the next unit. The raptors fled from the board thanks to "freakish spectacle".
In return, they lost two of their number due to a helldrake flame, four because their raider exploded from the first shot it got and two in overwatch the following turn. The haemi then died in the second turn of cc from the marines.
So they should have destroyed those scm, being fearless and zelot and fnp-ed and s+1 due to drugs and s+1 due to furious charge, but they died from the explosion.
A gun-boat would have done more damage, but I never would have put that haemi in a gunboat - stealing an objective would not be so easy.
Overall cost: 275 pts!! - well, at least it was a fun thing to do!

I think if they had their wych weapons for free I would consider them more often, if they still oculd deny attacks with their nets. Or FnP 4+. Or make their pistols shoot twice.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you use wyches if they were cheap?   Thu Jan 22 2015, 14:46

@@miral wrote:
I played them recently in a friendly game and in the only way I could imagine them to achieve sth:
9 wyches in a raider with splinter-racks with a coven-supplement-hamonculus with fleet and a wwp.
The plan was to put them in play exactly so that they could shoot one unit and then threaten another one in cc or shooting the next turn. They are still annoying as hell.
The reality was semi just-as-planned:
they stole an objective from a group of raptors, shot two of them thanks to re-roll (six 1's and 2's on the first attempt), the plasma-grenade killed a third raptor and a csm from the next unit. The raptors fled from the board thanks to "freakish spectacle".
In return, they lost two of their number due to a helldrake flame, four because their raider exploded from the first shot it got and two in overwatch the following turn. The haemi then died in the second turn of cc from the marines.
So they should have destroyed those scm, being fearless and zelot and fnp-ed and s+1 due to drugs and s+1 due to furious charge, but they died from the explosion.
A gun-boat would have done more damage, but I never would have put that haemi in a gunboat - stealing an objective would not be so easy.
Overall cost: 275 pts!! - well, at least it was a fun thing to do!

I think if they had their wych weapons for free I would consider them more often, if they still oculd deny attacks with their nets. Or FnP 4+. Or make their pistols shoot twice.

Huh, wyches that shoot. Who would have thought?

You could use them as an escort for a haemonculus I suppose. Especially when using their supplement I usually have one spare haemonculus, but then again wracks would probably be a better escort...

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