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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Feb 18 2015, 04:44

When someone gets the Starweaver, can they please take a picture of it next to a Venom? I would love to see what it looks like in comparison.

I know its slightly different but I am wondering if you can get one of those and just magnetize guns to switch between Starweaver/Voidweaver/Venom
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Feb 18 2015, 05:24

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Has anyone seen the point cost for the ss and dj?

You can see the images on the Splintermind Facebook page (*shameless plug):
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Feb 18 2015, 13:47

Oh man, those new pics of the Death Jester and Shadowseer look AMAZING.

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Fri Feb 20 2015, 08:07

Someone on warseer has the codex.

Unfortunately the masque is the only detachment available to them.

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BB: Eldar and Dark Eldar
Conv: Imperium and Tau
Desperate: Orks
Apoc: everything else

You can't use the CAD or Allied detachment (because we have no HQ) so yes, only formations and masque detachment


The special bonuses for the masque detachment are:
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Emissary of Cegorach (reroll Harlequins traits) & run/charge from turn 2

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Fri Feb 20 2015, 09:03

I thought it was webway walker?

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Fri Feb 20 2015, 12:26

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I thought it was webway walker?

No webway walker is a warlord trait.

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Fri Feb 20 2015, 20:02

So now that the new SS and DJ are up for preorder (along with the glorious one click collection), the old ones got their name appended with "(classic)" so it seems like we're keeping those Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Fri Feb 20 2015, 20:32

I really hope so... for one I do not understand why go plastic and multiple parts if you are going to make them monopose and for the other the models look quite similar and Im not sure if they deserve a 50% price increase.
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Fri Feb 20 2015, 20:34

Love the codex. Nice pictures jocolor

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Fri Feb 20 2015, 21:40

Klaivex Charondyr wrote:
I really hope so... for one I do not understand why go plastic and multiple parts if you are going to make them monopose and for the other the models look quite similar and Im not sure if they deserve a 50% price increase.

Plastic is cheaper than resin after all. Together with the price increase, GW is making twice the profit.
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Fri Feb 20 2015, 22:15

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Klaivex Charondyr wrote:
I really hope so... for one I do not understand why go plastic and multiple parts if you are going to make them monopose and for the other the models look quite similar and Im not sure if they deserve a 50% price increase.

Plastic is cheaper than resin after all. Together with the price increase, GW is making twice the profit.

The second plastic model is cheaper to produce but the first one is thousands of times more expensive as you need to create a steel mold rather than the rubber ones used for resin.

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Fri Feb 20 2015, 22:45

I try to justify the price increase in my own mind by considering that the quality of their models has dramatically increased as well, along with the addition of extra bits. I was pretty surprised that the Shadowseer includes a shuriken pistol and a neuro disruptor. I mean, we can whine about limited poses, but the new poses are pretty excellent and all of parts in the whole harlequin line are interchangeable, on top of the fact that they're plastic now which is easier to modify.

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Sat Feb 21 2015, 00:29

Anterzhul wrote:
So now that the new SS and DJ are up for preorder (along with the glorious one click collection), the old ones got their name appended with "(classic)" so it seems like we're keeping those Smile

"While stocks last", I wonder?
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Sat Feb 21 2015, 05:16

Gobsmakked wrote:
Anterzhul wrote:
So now that the new SS and DJ are up for preorder (along with the glorious one click collection), the old ones got their name appended with "(classic)" so it seems like we're keeping those Smile

"While stocks last", I wonder?

Weren't they "out of order" before the new ones came out?

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Sat Feb 21 2015, 09:36

The machines needed for plastic (injection molding) are also relatively expensive

Gobsmakked wrote:
Anterzhul wrote:
So now that the new SS and DJ are up for preorder (along with the glorious one click collection), the old ones got their name appended with "(classic)" so it seems like we're keeping those Smile

"While stocks last", I wonder?

GW site for me says 'out of stock'/temporarily unavailable. No such notion as while stock lasts

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Sat Feb 21 2015, 12:38

According to WD Daily, this weeks WD issue contains an article on fielding an army of all kinds of Eldar together. I didn't have a chance to pick up my copy yet, and won't for a while... Anyone else care to shed some light on the matter?
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Sat Feb 21 2015, 14:25

No idea myself, but it's probably just an unbound army of Eldar, DE and Harlies
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Sat Feb 21 2015, 18:43

Is it just me or do the skyweavers suck? They are somewhat tanky but considering reavers are so much cheaper I don't see why you'd run them

Skyweavers x3 is around 150 points with 0 upgrades
Reavers x6 w/ 2x CC and 2x Heatlances are 146 points

The Skyweavers have 6 wounds total, 3 attacks base and +1 from charge, at all points in the game they will do 12 attacks at S4 on the charge. Additionally, they will get 3 Hammer of Wrath attacks at S4

The Reavers also have 6 wounds total, 2 attacks base (one from two weapons) and at turn 4 have furious charge. They also have access to combat drugs, and with cluster caltrops they do 2D6 S6 hammer of wrath hits. So we have 2-12 S6 attacks w/ Rending, 4 S4 hammer of wrath attacks with Rending and 18 S3 attacks on the charge, with the attacks being S4 if it is past turn 4.

Skyweavers have a 4/5++ invul save, reavers do not. This is very relevant against ignores cover. Skyweavers also have Star Bolas, a one use S6 AP2 Blast weapon, which I suppose is good for TEqs? But you only have 3 at 12 inch range with the crappy blast template, when Reavers have 2 permanent heat lances which I think are better in the long run. They can replace the bolas with zephyrglaives, giving them S4 Ap2 attacks on the charge, so I suppose they are better against TEqs? But I think reavers still have that advantage due to having rending attacks...

The main benefit of having skyweavers over reavers would be their shuriken catapults? However I feel on a bike unit that typically jinks (tho skyweavers do have 4+/5++ saves) you may as well be giving the shooting role to your venoms. I just dont really understand this unit

EDIT: Furious charge and rage mixup yoiyoiyoi


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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Sat Feb 21 2015, 19:07

Furious charge adds +1 Strength btw.

But yeah I agree, I don't ever see myself taking skyweavers over reavers. Also in the masque detachment I'll always just take 2 starweavers in the fast attack slots instead, having the only tax being a voidweaver and maybe more troupe's than I'd originally have wanted.

The voidweaver isnt that great, but it's not terrible I guess - but I'm always gonna replace the haywire cannon with the mini fireprism gun.

On another note, I don't get the point of the haywire cannon. It will generally still only get one hit, except it's less accurate than the haywire blasters we have. Sure you could get a good scatter in between two vehicles but that's more often than not, not going to happen. Unless I'm missing something?
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Sat Feb 21 2015, 19:17

Oops, I always mix up furious charge and rage.

Yeah the voidweaver is confusing as well. The aft cannon seems totally useless unless your voidweaver is in the middle of the enemy forces in which case why is your voidweaver in the middle of the enemy forces. The prismatic cannon is fairly good, but as you said the haywire cannon is really questionable, I don't see a reason I would ever take it over haywire blasters since normal blast templates are just awful.

The starweaver isnt bad? Its like a venom with shuriken guns, 6 passengers and a 4++ invul for a turn. Only 5 more points than a double cannon venom, so it's fair. Problem is all the formations need you to run other stuff. Your idea of taking the starweavers for the fast attack choices is good but I think the masque detachment is too much of a point sink. I'm personally gonna play around with company of actors and a WWP, drop them in and see what happens.
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Sat Feb 21 2015, 19:19

Yeah I agree fully, Company of Actors and Heroes Way are the only 2 formations that interest me so far. The masque was just if I wanted to have a couple shadowseers in the list, Veil of Tears and that shrouded/stealth power is great for almost anything in our army.
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Sat Feb 21 2015, 19:26

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When someone gets the Starweaver, can they please take a picture of it next to a Venom? I would love to see what it looks like in comparison.

Just found this pic on El Descanso del Escriba, which I am not able to link directly to for some reason, so here is the page for it:

http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.ca/2015/02/comparativa-de-tamanostarweaver-vs-venom.html

There is actually a significant size difference, and style, it is an entirely new model with no carryover of chassis or body panel parts.
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Sat Feb 21 2015, 19:47

Gobsmakked wrote:
Ciirian wrote:
When someone gets the Starweaver, can they please take a picture of it next to a Venom? I would love to see what it looks like in comparison.

Just found this pic on El Descanso del Escriba, which I am not able to link directly to for some reason, so here is the page for it:

http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.ca/2015/02/comparativa-de-tamanostarweaver-vs-venom.html

There is actually a significant size difference, and style, it is an entirely new model with no carryover of chassis or body panel parts.
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Aha! For once, my size calculations were correct. lol

And can't you take Starweavers as dedicated transports in the Company of Actors formation?

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Sat Feb 21 2015, 19:49

There's nothing that says you can't, however, a minimum size troupe is 5 models. Then the SS and DJ have to be a part of it and can never leave, which makes the unit 7 models. - which obviously can't fit in the starweaver.
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Sat Feb 21 2015, 20:13

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There's nothing that says you can't, however, a minimum size troupe is 5 models. Then the SS and DJ have to be a part of it and can never leave, which makes the unit 7 models. - which obviously can't fit in the starweaver.

Damn. They're making it really hard for us, aren't they? I thought that the Shadow Seer and Death Jester had to be together, but the Troupe could be a separate unit. Argh. Ok, now I see why so many of you are so ticked about the formations. LOL

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