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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Tue Jan 27 2015, 21:07

@MarcoAvrelis wrote:
Anyone else noticed this:

Warseer wrote:
Harelequins kiss and embrace are "When model equipped with this weapon makes attacks" while Caress and Shuriken pistol are "when [using] weapon [to attack]", so, yeah, a blitzing solitaire gives 11 caresses and 1 kiss.

So if this is true, the solitaire hits hard, and don't forget the plasma-grenade /Haywire if you wanna break a land raider.

Actually, one grenade thrown, and then 12 attacks that glances on to hit rolls of 6, could easily get 3, if lucky, 4 HP off.

Just need to find a way to get re-roll to hit for him.
sorry to say but if i remember right than you swap all of your attacks for 1 grenade attack
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Tue Jan 27 2015, 21:28

With grenade thrown, I meant thrown in the shooting phase. With BS9.
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Tue Jan 27 2015, 21:41

I believe urden thought you meant attacking in melee with HWG for the glances, when you likely meant using the Caress.

One thing with the Kiss. The way it's worded means that it comes out of the base attacks, not an extra, so it would actually be 10 Caresses + 1 Kiss when Blitzing (assuming it gets an extra attack for additional CCW).

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Tue Jan 27 2015, 21:50

And an extra for assaulting.
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Tue Jan 27 2015, 21:52

Wow, those are really nice models and poses. Have to resist....

But it seems that they do not know their rules XD as they gave the troupe plasma grenades and the flipbelt so they really do not suffer a penalty when charging into cover... At least the solitaire left the grenades at home as it is dead weight ;-)

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Tue Jan 27 2015, 21:53

You can still throw them.

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Tue Jan 27 2015, 21:53

@Gobsmakked wrote:

@MarcoAvrelis wrote:
First pics - http://grotorderly.blogspot.se/

EDIT - Nice find, MarcoAvrelis!!!!


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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Tue Jan 27 2015, 21:58

Here, have some colour.
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Tue Jan 27 2015, 22:00

@Crazy_Irish wrote:
Wow, those are really nice models and poses. Have to resist....

But it seems that they do not know their rules XD as they gave the troupe plasma grenades and the flipbelt so they really do not suffer a penalty when charging into cover... At least the solitaire left the grenades at home as it is dead weight ;-)

It would be great if the codex said that "When fighting alongside Dark Eldar, Troupe members can lend their plasma grenades to any friendly Incubi present on the battlefield"

Love this release. So Good. So Good and there is more to come!!!!


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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Tue Jan 27 2015, 22:14

Just saw the preorder for new solitair $26 and troupe $40 also 2 new DEbooks and a $20 Masque of Vile book coming out.

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Tue Jan 27 2015, 22:29

Harlequins are the crap! Cannot Express my love for these guys. Ironically I havn't even painted the ones I have because I am afraid I won't do Them Justice.

These are the Best news GW could give me. Calling for preorder first Thing in the morning!

If only there were more harlequin fluff and fiction. The Masque of Vile was okay though!

A new solitaire model..... I still cannot believe it! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Tue Jan 27 2015, 22:31

yea and looking through the pics the troupe can take a starweaver as transport. Cannot WAITto see what i tlooks like.

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Jan 28 2015, 02:34

I haven't read through this entire thread (it's quite long, sorry) but I've put everything I know into this video, with a link to more info in the description part (feel free to skip the vid and just go to the description part of the video for the link itself, although I do give some of my thoughts on the topic)

The main thing that I learned (that I haven't seen in this discussion) are some special rules leaks, for the close combat weapons and wargear. I hope this helps Smile If not it's like I said: at least I offer some discussion/thoughts

One last thing I forgot to mention: the rumours have it that pre-orders are happening this weekend, with deliveries arriving the following weekend. I'm psyched Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Jan 28 2015, 02:59

Some one on 4chan/tg math hammered out the weapon options for troops. I thought it might be of interest. The thread is here http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/37658632/harlequins

If the Harlequins charge:
10 Harlequins with Embraces (gives HoW):
vs GEQ: 22.9 kills.
vs MEQ: 10 kills.

10 Harlequins with Kisses (1 S6 ap2 attack):
vs GEQ: 14.4 kills.
vs MEQ: 8.89 kills.

10 Harlequins with Caresses (rending):
vs GEQ: 15.5 kills.
vs MEQ: 10 kills.

Harlequins didn't charge:
10 Harlequins with Embraces:
vs GEQ: 6.6 kills.
vs MEQ: 2.2 kills.

10 Harlequins with Kisses:
vs GEQ: 10 kills.
vs MEQ: 7.03 kills.

10 Harlequins with Caresses:
vs GEQ: 10 kills.
vs MEQ: 6.6 kills.

Also keep in mind you are unlikely to get all the harlequins in base to base which particularly affects the embrace. The kiss can cause instant death which is nice vs MC. Also, the caress can quite easily put on a lot of glances (10 harlequins will cause around 6 glances on the charge).
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Jan 28 2015, 07:27

*Drools*

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Jan 28 2015, 07:30

I would still take reavers over harlequins almost all the time, they are the 1pt more and that's if you don't by weapons for your harlequins (for better movement, 3+ cover, T4, combat drugs and power from pain). Harlequins are T3 5++ so unless their transport is amazing or the shadow seer can reliably make them survivable they still will die to bolter fire in seconds!

I think harlequin squads will be about having a kitted out troop leader, he has a great stat line, 2 wounds and look out sir on a 2+, so should be the last to die. Holding my breath for a decent shadow seer/transport.

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Jan 28 2015, 07:49

I agree about the basic harlequins. Regardless of their stats and cool factor their survivability is lacking. Hopefully veil of tears gets a buff to 1d6 or they get other shenanigans. I do have faith however that the formations are where the real gold will be. I imagine that the artefacts that they can bring offers something that we don't know about that hopefully makes them go to for competetive play. Overall with the little we know I am still going to remain positive about the realease. The previous supps have been very nice. That solitaire will find gameplay for me though it is just too cool I will have to try it out a few times. The name starweaver just screams speed hopefully they can really make it the true shocktroop that we wnat them to be.

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Jan 28 2015, 08:16

@Mushkilla wrote:
I would still take reavers over harlequins almost all the time, they are the 1pt more and that's if you don't buy (...)

You say Reavers are a point more, but the Troupe Master is a required tax, so in a 5-man unit Harlies actually average out to 17 points each with a 10 pt upgrade to a Troupe Master. I'd say Harlies and Reavers are of equal points cost unless you're going for a max size troup.
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Jan 28 2015, 08:27

@Mushkilla wrote:
I would still take reavers over harlequins almost all the time, they are the 1pt more and that's if you don't by weapons for your harlequins (for better movement, 3+ cover, T4, combat drugs and power from pain). Harlequins are T3 5++ so unless their transport is amazing or the shadow seer can reliably make them survivable they still will die to bolter fire in seconds!

I think harlequin squads will be about having a kitted out troop leader, he has a great stat line, 2 wounds and look out sir on a 2+, so should be the last to die. Holding my breath for a decent shadow seer/transport.

I plan fielding them on occasion because I like them, but I mostly do agree with you. I do think they have a couple of good points that bikes lack though. They are far better at assault if you actually get them there. They are also really good anti tank if equipped with caresses. Unfortunately their lack of survivability will probably outweigh their strength in anything but friendly games.

Also I wouldn't be inclined to compare them to bikes as they seem to fit a different roll to me. Bikes are great because of their versatility. Harlequins aren't very versatile and seem to fall into dedicated assault. I think a better comparison would be against incubi, and grots.

In either case it will be interesting to see how the rest of the list pans out. Shadowseers, the transport, and the black library items could change a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Jan 28 2015, 08:39

I never powerplay, and my lists are always made with fluff and entertainment in mind. (Which is one of the reasons I often loose but that really doesn't matter)

If I could overcome my fear of painting them (I eally want to.them justice but freehand diamond pattern are simply too hard for me) I would totally field them just for the "feel".

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Jan 28 2015, 08:40

Ehm, portal drop with melta pistols ? Those are proper meltas, s8.

Harlies are in league of their own and are in need of thinking aproach with them. They certainly arent easy auto-include. But i think everyone can agree they hit hard, so we shall wait and see all the toys the have.

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Jan 28 2015, 08:56

I agree it's too soon to tell. I'm just pointing out that they are one hell of a glass cannon. But i'm sure they will have more toys to come. I wouldn't be surprised if they had access to webway portals. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Jan 28 2015, 09:05

i think DE needs less of them than lets say CWE Very Happy, wyches and Incubi for CCs Reavers for impacts and hit and run fun stuff, blasters are in par with prices with the neuro, heatlance better and just as situacional as the fusion pistol, i only see point in Solitaire for a nice distraction unit, you can hide it well behind walls can manouver like a reaver and still hits pretty decent on charge tho needs a bit of help from POTENT(so Darkeldar Razz) assault units, CWE assaults mainly from Raiders or with Shiningspears for serpent is more of a gunboat than a transport. Im intrested in harli jets tho, probably they will be 25ish points like shiningspears but with these or similar items they gonna worth that Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Jan 28 2015, 09:12

If you ever saw what harlequins can do you never ever dismisses them. Just that effect they can cause is staggering. Somebody says harlies are cool when you roll a lot of 6s. Well, sometimes you do.

This is one of those units with reputation.

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PostSubject: Re: Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked   Wed Jan 28 2015, 10:46

im not trusting them before i used them for a while Razz just like with wyches i love them they can cause serious havoc if they charge in, i just hope harlis do the same some pretty sweet modells :3
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