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PostSubject: Aethersails and tank shock   Thu Dec 11 2014, 06:32

I think I know the answer to this but can I use aethersails to tank shock further than 12 in? Since I'm pretty sure aethersails just let me move flat out further I wouldn't be able to, yea?
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PostSubject: Re: Aethersails and tank shock   Thu Dec 11 2014, 07:23

Sails only work in shooting phase so no benefit to tank shock.

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PostSubject: Re: Aethersails and tank shock   Thu Dec 18 2014, 14:11

Doesnt the rules state that in the beginning of a move, you have to declare a tank shock.. not that it has to be during the movement phase?

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PostSubject: Re: Aethersails and tank shock   Thu Dec 18 2014, 15:56

@Epimetheus wrote:
Doesnt the rules state that in the beginning of a move, you have to declare a tank shock.. not that it has to be during the movement phase?


To Tank Shock, you must be moving at least Combat Speed, which is only possible during the Movement Phase (pg73). Also, a Tank cannot move Flat Out in the same turn it performs a Tank Shock (pg75).
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PostSubject: Re: Aethersails and tank shock   Wed Jan 07 2015, 13:12

im still new and reading the rules ok but can i move combat speed in the moment phase and then in the shooting phase do a tank shock because the rule only says i cant move flat out the same turn it did a tank shock not that i couldn't tank shock in the shooting phase when i use my flat out.

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PostSubject: Re: Aethersails and tank shock   Wed Jan 07 2015, 13:19

If you can't move flat out in the same turn you perform a tank shock, you certainly can't do both at the same time!

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PostSubject: Re: Aethersails and tank shock   Wed Jan 07 2015, 14:10

im not trying to be a childish here and i am relay trying to understand but were dose it say i cant? i can understand not being able to tank shock in movement phase then move flat out in shooting but that's not what im doing. im tank shocking in the shooting phase and since when i move in the shooting phase i flat out that what i would use. reading the rules it says "to perform a tank shock, first, turn the vehicle on the spot to face the direction you intend to move it and, after pre-measuring, declare how many inches the vehicle is going to move, up to its maximum speed" (page 92) it dose not say it can only be done during the movement phase just when i move.

again sorry if i seam really childish here and trying to start a fight im not i just learn best when something has been explained fully and i don't seam to get the from the rules book i feeling like im only getting half the rules because it dose not explained everything

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PostSubject: Re: Aethersails and tank shock   Wed Jan 07 2015, 14:20

I don't have my rulebook on me, but working from Dra'al Nacht's post above it states on p75 that a Tank cannot move Flat Out in the same turn it performs a Tank Shock. If you can't do it on the same turn, you certainly can't do it in the same movement.

It looks from your post above that you're looking at the section where it tells you how to perform a tank shock, not the part where it tells you when you can perform one. GW are notorious for doing this sort of thing and posting part of the rules for something in one place and part in another.

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PostSubject: Re: Aethersails and tank shock   Wed Jan 07 2015, 14:23

As The_Burning_Eye has already pointed out, the two actions are mutually exclusive. The rules say:

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A Tank cannot move Flat Out in the same turn that it performs a Tank Shock.

The only way you can carry out a tank shock in the shooting phase is by moving flat out and you cannot move flat out in the same turn that you tank shock so it's just not possible!

In addition, whilst it is not explicitly stated, the rules do make it clear that tank shocks are carried out in the movement phase.

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the player can declare that it is going to attempt to Tank Shock or Ram instead of moving normally

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The vehicle must move at least Combat Speed

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PostSubject: Re: Aethersails and tank shock   Wed Jan 07 2015, 14:25

EASILY SOLVED!

Main rulebook, page 75.

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MOVING FLAT OUT
A vehicle can elct to move Flat Out instead of firing in the Shooting phase, immediately moving 6"; this move triggers Dangerous terrain tests as normal. A Tank caanot move Flat Out in the same turn that it performs a Tank Shock."

Aethersails increase the Flat Out distance.
You CANNOT Tank Shock in the same turn as you Flat Out.
Ergo you cannot use Aethersails as part of a Tank Shock.


EDIT: Ugh. Two other people post exactly the same thing in the time it took me to write this post. Tisk.
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PostSubject: Re: Aethersails and tank shock   Wed Jan 07 2015, 14:32

ok thank you all i think ill start taking notes as i read the rule book so i can look back to those parts when i have questions like this and not have to make thees simple mistakes Smile

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