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PostSubject: Agonizer & Instant Death?   Tue Oct 07 2014, 22:22

So a question popped into my mind today:

Is ID possible with an agonizer? Looking at therules for poisoned weapons it says if a lower roll would be needed to roll the lower. But that doesn't mean we are hitting at strength = user.

Scenario, an archon uses a soul trap to reach S8. He then wounds a Space Marine with an agonizer. Does that wound cause ID?
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PostSubject: Re: Agonizer & Instant Death?   Tue Oct 07 2014, 22:27

I believe so.
This is the type of situation the rule is talking about when it says "if a lower roll would be needed" - a high S model using a poisoned weapon.

Looking at the big picture, it's a DE on steroids hitting a space marine really REALLY hard with something that just happens to exude poison. It's the "being hit hard enough to kill him instantly" that causes the ID, before he even gets poisoned.

Am I right? Someone out there knows better than me, I'm sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Agonizer & Instant Death?   Wed Oct 08 2014, 04:52

Unless that Space Marine is Maphiston, then it would be a 2+ (S8 vs T4) re-rolling (poisoned 4+) causing Instant Death (S8 vs T4).
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PostSubject: Re: Agonizer & Instant Death?   Wed Oct 08 2014, 07:26

@MFive wrote:
Unless that Space Marine is Maphiston, then it would be a 2+ (S8 vs T4) re-rolling (poisoned 4+) causing Instant Death (S8 vs T4).

The re-roll would also be 2+, not 4+.

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PostSubject: Re: Agonizer & Instant Death?   Wed Oct 08 2014, 07:32

But the agoniser has the poison 4+ special rule, not 2+ unless I missed that in the new codex

I prased it as effect, (cause), sorry if that was not clear
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PostSubject: Re: Agonizer & Instant Death?   Wed Oct 08 2014, 07:42

Poison states you always wound on X+ unless a lower roll would be required. So S8 vs T4 would require a 2+ and you would still benefit from being a Poisoned attack--thus re-rolls!

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PostSubject: Re: Agonizer & Instant Death?   Wed Oct 08 2014, 07:50

Yes, sorry if I was still unclear about this, S8 vs T4 does wound on a 2+, and the poisoned 4+ special rule allows you to re-roll and wound on a 2+, I simply called it poisoned 4+ (as written in the codex) rather then generic poisoned

Sorry for confusion
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PostSubject: Re: Agonizer & Instant Death?   Wed Oct 08 2014, 07:59

Grotesques (Furious Charging) is another scenario where you'd roll To Wound better than the poisoned number in some scenarios. Also reroll To Wound on those with lower Toughness

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PostSubject: Re: Agonizer & Instant Death?   Wed Oct 08 2014, 08:47

The agonizer has Strength(User) so S8 Charakter with agnonizer would ID T4 enemy with 2+ reroll AP3.
And yes, Poison is epic in 7th Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Agonizer & Instant Death?   Wed Oct 08 2014, 09:14

@Lord Azrael wrote:
And yes, Poison is epic in 7th Very Happy

As long as it's in melee. Shooting attacks are somewhat less epic. Crying or Very sad

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PostSubject: Re: Agonizer & Instant Death?   Wed Oct 08 2014, 10:57

@Count Adhemar wrote:
@Lord Azrael wrote:
And yes, Poison is epic in 7th Very Happy

As long as it's in melee. Shooting attacks are somewhat less epic. Crying or Very sad

Well played good sir

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