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PostSubject: soul fright   Tue Oct 07 2014, 20:23

The rules say that models with the fearless rule or TSKNF can't have wounds allocated to them. Fearless is conveyed to the whole unit if one model has it. So does a fearless blod of gaurdsmen with a priest become immune to soulfright or just the priest?
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Tue Oct 07 2014, 20:45

Since fearless confers to the unit, the entire unit would be immune.


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Most imperial forces will be immune to Soul Fright sadly. Many guard blobs get fearless via priests and such. Marines have ATSKNF. Sisters are about the only ones that would be effected consistently. Daemons too would be immune. Nids mostly so.

So that leaves us with a non-psychic psychic shriek that is useful against Orks, CSM, Eldar, other DE, Tau, and Necrons.

So of the ~16 armies, only about 6-7 would be susceptible to it consistently.
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Tue Oct 07 2014, 21:46

@Unholyllama wrote:
Since fearless confers to the unit, the entire unit would be immune.
Not quite, there is still hope.

The wording on Fearless is: "Units containing one or more models with the Fearless special rule automatically pass..."
So the rule itself isn't actually shared to models; it is the benefits of auto-passing pinning & morale etc that is shared to the unit.

IG blob with a priest can be soulfrighted down until only the priest is left!

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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Tue Oct 07 2014, 21:57

Is the priest even a factor? He has Zealot, not Fearless.
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Tue Oct 07 2014, 22:02

@WangoFett wrote:
Is the priest even a factor?  He has Zealot, not Fearless.

Zealot gives Fearless. Nvm, I forgot that it changed in 7th while keeping the same practical effects as Fearless and Hatred as before.

@Laughingcarp - Very good point. I would say only the model would be immune, not the entire blob.
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Tue Oct 07 2014, 22:33

@Laughingcarp wrote:
@Unholyllama wrote:
Since fearless confers to the unit, the entire unit would be immune.
Not quite, there is still hope.

The wording on Fearless is: "Units containing one or more models with the Fearless special rule automatically pass..."
So the rule itself isn't actually shared to models; it is the benefits of auto-passing pinning & morale etc that is shared to the unit.

IG blob with a priest can be soulfrighted down until only the priest is left!
That's what I thought! Thanks for the info!
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Tue Oct 07 2014, 22:43

Hah! Zealot, hey? Suck it, priests!
Yep the wording is pretty specific. Models with Fearless.

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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Wed Oct 08 2014, 06:44

I'll have to check my Daemons Codex when I get home, but if I remember correctly, Daemons aren't Fearless per se so they would be vulnerable to Soulfright too.
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Wed Oct 08 2014, 07:01

Daemons are indeed vulnerable. They "automatically pass" such tests and do not have Fearless.

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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Thu Oct 09 2014, 01:00

Huh. So warp-spawned abominations and religious fanatics join the metallic walking dead in the list of things more susceptible to browning their pants to death than Space Marine Scouts. Who knew?

For Tyranids, does Synapse provide fearless, or just auto-pass? If I can catch gaunts with their awesome Ld (for being killed) in a phantasm without denuding their synapse cover first, I might even consider taking one.
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Thu Oct 09 2014, 23:49

@Creeping Darkness wrote:
Huh. So warp-spawned abominations and religious fanatics join the metallic walking dead in the list of things more susceptible to browning their pants to death than Space Marine Scouts. Who knew?

For Tyranids, does Synapse provide fearless, or just auto-pass? If I can catch gaunts with their awesome Ld (for being killed) in a phantasm without denuding their synapse cover first, I might even consider taking one.

Sadly it is fearless.. just checked.
Edit: wait! Fearless is given to MODELS inside of synapse range, not units! So only the models inside 12" would be immune to it!!!! Hahaha!!! Glorious!
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Fri Oct 10 2014, 00:30

And a point in the argument for deamons suffering from soul-fright: Daemons auto-pass MORALE tests specifically, which are a subset of Leadership tests by my understanding of the rules.
So they're still vulnerable.

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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Fri Oct 10 2014, 03:49

it also wont affect DE opponents (turn 5 at the latest) as PfP gives all the models fearless
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Fri Oct 10 2014, 06:56

@Bibitybopitybacon wrote:
Sadly it is fearless.. just checked.
Edit: wait! Fearless is given to MODELS inside of synapse range, not units! So only the models inside 12" would be immune to it!!!! Hahaha!!! Glorious!

lol!

Wow, this book is like a labyrinth of hidden loopholes. How like the dark kin.

Now we just need to find someone in the Space Marine army that we can affect. Servitors? Do Chaplains think they're clever by getting Zealot and not Fearless or ATSKNF?

If playing against other Dark Eldar, you could have a situation with a Coven supplement Haemy leading a squad of Kabalites. The Haemy gets fearless from his PfP chart (on turn 1 with his bonus to the chart), so can't be affected, but the warriors can be. Then, on turn 4 (with haemy boonus) the warriors gain fearless and can't be affected... but the haemy loses Fearless for Zealot, so can be affected! scratch
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Fri Oct 10 2014, 08:12

And, point of interest, models with the Stubborn USR don't gain its benefits vs Soul Fright in conjunction with Armour of Misery/Archangel of Pain since Stubborn only helps vs Morale & Pinning, and this is neither.

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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Fri Oct 10 2014, 13:02

So there is a bit of hope anyway Smile I quite like the soulfright rule, whether it transfer's well to table top remains to be seen.
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Fri Oct 10 2014, 13:18

Personally I think it's very situational and very dependent upon your local meta. If you're facing a lot of Guard, Xenos (not 'Nids) or Chaos, you're pretty good. If your usual opponents are Space Marines (lots out there!) then it's not so valuable.
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Sat Oct 11 2014, 03:09

@Dra'al Nacht wrote:
Personally I think it's very situational and very dependent upon your local meta. If you're facing a lot of Guard, Xenos (not 'Nids) or Chaos, you're  pretty good. If your usual opponents are Space Marines (lots out there!) then it's not so valuable.
Ton of tau, guard, and eldar here! I'm thinking of trying it.. raider with tgl and a darklance has an ai and at weapon..
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Sat Oct 11 2014, 04:07

I don't have the Ork codex, does it interact with Mob Rule at all?

Either way it could be a hilarious answer to Mek Gunz Smile
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Sat Oct 11 2014, 04:24

@Creeping Darkness wrote:
I don't have the Ork codex, does it interact with Mob Rule at all?

Either way it could be a hilarious answer to Mek Gunz Smile
I'll check and see!
Edit: mob rule doesn't seem to be a factor after reading the rule.
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Sat Oct 11 2014, 12:31

Cool, Orks are fair game.

Another point of interest, rolling 'Intimidating presence' on the Commsnd Warlord traits will oblige units to use their lowest Ld rather than their highest - maybe worth shooting for if you are planning to take a few phantasms?
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Sat Oct 11 2014, 15:30

Orks hate Fear. Since Mob Rule is only Morale and Pinning, Fear and other general "leadership" tests are the bane of an Ork player's existence since they are mostly LD7.

The armor of misery is very useful with Soulfright too I found out last night against Necrons. -2LD goes a long ways in terms of effectiveness.
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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Sat Oct 11 2014, 18:38

@Unholyllama wrote:
Orks hate Fear.  Since Mob Rule is only Morale and Pinning, Fear and other general "leadership" tests are the bane of an Ork player's existence since they are mostly LD7.

The armor of misery is very useful with Soulfright too I found out last night against Necrons. -2LD goes a long ways in terms of effectiveness.
I'm thinking of Archon with armor of misery PGL wwp deepstriking with some coven supplement Grotesques for -3 leadership.... only thing better than Necrons at leadership 7 are tau at leadership 4! Smile

Update: Just checked the chaos deamon codex! demonic instability only makes them auto pass fear moral and pinning tests! So every unit in that codex in vulnerable!

Update 2:
Ok so I went through allof the codexs I own and made a list of all units and which ones are effected by soulfright..


Chaos deamons
Every unit is vulnerable. Demonic instability only protects against pinning, fear, and moral tests.

Chaos space marines
Possessed , berserkers, thousand sons, plague marines, noise marines and spawn are immune.
Every HQ is immune except for sorcerer, dark apostle, and warpsmith.

Tau
Every unit in the codex in vulnerable, failure is not an option and stubborn from ethereals have no effect.

Necrons
Triach praetorians, C’tan shards, scarabs, wraiths and spiders are immune, everything else, including overlords, is vulnerable.

Orks:
Mad doc Grot snick along with any unit he is in, Any unit within 6 inches of a stompa, All orks on a turn when a warlord with the Prophet of the Waaagh warlord trait (result one) calls a Waaagh.

Imperial guard:

Straken is immune. That’s it. Zealot no longer gives fearless so priest are fair game.

Eldar:
The avatar and any eldar unit inside 12 inches of him and all of the phoenix lords, wraith guard, wraith blades, wraith lords and wraith knights are immune because of fearless. Everything else is vulnerable.

Tyranids:
Old one eye, haruspex, harpy, hive crone, carnifex, trygon, mawlock and the tyranofex are all immune because they have fearless. Any model with synapse or inside synapse range in immune to it because of fearless, note only MODELS inside of synapse range are immune not the whole unit.

Dark eldar:
We all know this one right? Drazah, talos, chronos, and then every unit is immune after turn 5.
Coven every unit is immune after turn two but then become vulnerable when it switches to zealot on turn… 5 maybe?

Sisters:
Don’t have this codex, but I believe all of them are vulnerable?

Blood angels: Don’t have this codex, but pretty sure it is only..
Servators

Dark angels: See above
Servators

Space marines:
servators

Space wolves:
Servators and fenrisian wolves are the only units vulnerable.

I may have missed some thing but I think this is a pretty good list!


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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Sun Oct 12 2014, 11:36

This is why The Dark City is a wonderful place, so much creativity, so much determination to find the gems buried in the new codex. Well done guys! Looks like the phantasm grenade launcher is a solid option.

Allas it shows yet again how incompetent GW are, I can't think for a minute they thought daemons, orks, and zealots would not be immune to soulfright. So depressing that they don't even understand their own rule set. Well their incompetence looks to be our gain in this particular instance. Smile

EDIT: Anyone considered eldar warlocks for horrify and an additional -3 to Ld?

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PostSubject: Re: soul fright   Sun Oct 12 2014, 15:54

@Bibitybopitybacon wrote:
Tyranids:
Old one eye, haruspex, harpy, hive crone, carnifex, trygon, mawlock and the tyranofex are all immune because they have fearless. Any model with synapse or inside synapse range in immune to it because of fearless, note only MODELS inside of synapse range are immune not the whole unit.

Fearless confers to the whole unit so as long as one model in the unit is in Synapse range then they are all Fearless.

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