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Izaeus
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:06

Can archon take a gun other than the blaster and relic?
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:07

@PainReaver wrote:
@Scorpion wrote:
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Suddenly Mandrakes are no longer a joke. Suddenly new Serious Mandrakes meme will have to be had.

The fact is if Succubus can infact buy relics- buy her the special ghostplate for lols.

Archons can still run with Blasterborn which is cool, except in a raider now. Now add WWP.

Archon can buy his own Venom, and blasterborn can have venoms as well.

Finally justifying the fluff in the old codex- in the venom entry, something about the venom transporting a single passenger in STYLE.

Archon in a Raider. PIMP.

Cant get a Raider, only venom.
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:07

Sounds like the archons purpose is to DS a unit (with or without a ride) into someones face.

Also iirc urien's states were pretty good.. s5 t5 w5 right?
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:08

@Izaeus wrote:
Can archon take a gun other than the blaster and relic?

Blast pistol...
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:08

The new Dedicated Transports are confusing me at the moment.

But I certainly do relish the Archon in a Pimp-Venom.
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:08

@Brom wrote:
Sounds like the archons purpose is to DS a unit (with or without a ride) into someones face.

Also iirc urien's states were pretty good..   s5 t5 w5 right?


S3, T5, W3.
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:10

@PainReaver wrote:
The new Dedicated Transports are confusing me at the moment.

But I certainly do relish the Archon in a Pimp-Venom.

Yep, DE Archons are the true PIMPS of 40k. But no access to AP2 melee weapon.. So they cant accually kill anyone with a 2+.
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:12

Do sslyths have the bulky rule?
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:13

1. What is Raider capacity?
2. Can you take Warrior squad and IC in the same raider?
3. What about bloodbrides - what do they bring to the normal Wyches?
4. Who can take power lance?
5. Do Razorwings comes with missiles?

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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:13

@Crazy_Ivan wrote:
Do sslyths have the bulky rule?

No, just FNP and Fleet.
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:13

@Scorpion wrote:
@PainReaver wrote:
The new Dedicated Transports are confusing me at the moment.

But I certainly do relish the Archon in a Pimp-Venom.

Yep, DE Archons are the true PIMPS of 40k. But no access to AP2 melee weapon.. So they cant accually kill anyone with a 2+.

But it can still make ho's out of regular marines.
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:15

@Azdrubael wrote:
1. What is Raider capacity?
2. Can you take Warrior squad and IC in the same raider?
3. What about bloodbrides - what do they bring to the normal Wyches?
4. Who can take power lance?
5. Do Razorwings comes with missiles?

1. As before
2. As before
3.As before
4.No one. Only access to power swords
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:16

So archon with court and lhaeman will make his agoniser 2+ poison ap3?

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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:17

@Crazy_Ivan wrote:
i need to buy some chronos' lol 4++ and 4+FNP and it will not die, that is going to be hard to get rid of!

I feel like I'm missing something.... They might be hard to get rid of, but what is motivating your opponent to target it? Why wouldn't they just ignore it? I haven't heard or seen that it gets anything to make it decent in combat, it's still slow, and now it can only buff units within 6" which is half the distance it used to....

Scorpion, could you clarify if chronos has anything other than increasing FNP within 6"?
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:17

@Crazy_Ivan wrote:
So archon with court and lhaeman will make his agoniser 2+ poison ap3?


No, Lhamaean poison doesn't affect the archon.
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:19

Whats your overall impressions army wide? Do we lost or do we gain via point costs and rules changes?

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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:19

@Sensei wrote:
@Crazy_Ivan wrote:
i need to buy some chronos' lol 4++ and 4+FNP and it will not die, that is going to be hard to get rid of!

I feel like I'm missing something.... They might be hard to get rid of, but what is motivating your opponent to target it? Why wouldn't they just ignore it? I haven't heard or seen that it gets anything to make it decent in combat, it's still slow, and now it can only buff units within 6" which is half the distance it used to....

Scorpion, could you clarify if chronos has anything other than increasing FNP within 6"?

Nothing more. Same weapons as before. It starts with a spirit syphon and can buy spirit vortex and spirit vortex. Vortex ans syphon do the same as before.
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:21

Are Cronos still Monstrous Creatures?
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:22

I'm getting hype here. Just a few questions - do Lhamaeans still have their 2+ poisoned CCW? Also, is their cost the same? Can I go with a Court full of Lhamaeans?

I mean, I have to use my Witch Elves models somewhere...

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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:23

@PainReaver wrote:
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Guys, i don't think you are appreciating what those new Grots can do! If they are exactly how he says they are, then in the perfect conditions they get 9(!!!) attacks EACH. 3 Base + 2 for Rage + 1 for 2 cc weapons + D3 for Rampage, all at strength 6 for Furious Charge!  That is bloomin' ridiculous.

don't forget if they get +1 str or att from drugs.

I don't think Grots ever had drugs.

I heard from somewhere that each of them now have flesh gauntlets, and can be equipped with liquefiers each. Any confirmation?

They didn't before but whose to say they don't now?
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:24

Holy hell I haven't posted here in a long time...

1. Trueborn are min squadsize 5 correct? Are they otherwise unchanged?
2. Are incubi also min squadsize 5?
3. Are splinter cannons more expensive for everything now? And what does the second cannon cost for the Venom?
4. Do mandrakes have any non-cover-save save?
5. What does a trilance Ravager cost?
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:26

@Azdrubael wrote:
Whats your overall impressions army wide? Do we lost or do we gain via point costs and rules changes?

Thats one hell of a question. I havent played any 7th games yet so this is more a feeling than anything else.

We are going to see other units in play: Grots, Mandrakes, Scourges. Court.

I dont know if Venoms not having night shields is going to affect the Venom spam strategy.

Wyches are out, I cant see a use for them.

Beasts are NOT what they were. I think the WWP and DS Raiders, venoms and Ravengers are going to give us the suprise element in a game.

As Mushkilla mentioned in another post: its a new puzzle.
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:27

@Shinobi_8745 wrote:
Are Cronos still Monstrous Creatures?

yes
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:28

on lelith A leage apart is still a thing or we have rampage instead?
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PostSubject: Re: I have the book, ask me a question - summary as of Oct. 3rd in OP   Thu Oct 02 2014, 06:28

What are beast packs like now? I am especially curious at the cost of clawed fiends and their rules/ profile and how many you can field in what ratio. Thanks mate.
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